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Wow. Remove iPods and iPhones and Apple's in neck deep

And it ain't neck deep in money, either.

:apple:
 
Yet here they are, carving their laptop bodies from solid aluminum using lasers and water jets.

You want to see corner-cutting bargain-bin, have a look at my employer-supplied HP Compaq laptop. *creak*

Corner cutting means just that, cutting corners, not the entire package. Of course it's going to be much better than that HP, but people will be unhappy when they discover how much they need to pay to get a display adapter or a remote when they used to come with the package.
 
people will be unhappy when they discover how much they need to pay to get a display adapter or a remote when they used to come with the package.

Agreed, Apple's cheaping out on accessories is truly lame (no longer including a dock with the iPhone is downright pathetic) - but most people will not need a display adapter or remote for their laptop and thus the greater share of customer unhappiness will be avoided.

Printer manufacturers haven't included cables with their printers since Adam bought Eve her first color inkjet, but people tolerate such slaps to the face with indifference. At least I haven't heard of any public uprisings against printer manufacturers as of late...
 
Printer manufacturers haven't included cables with their printers since Adam bought Eve her first color inkjet, but people tolerate such slaps to the face with indifference. At least I haven't heard of any public uprisings against printer manufacturers as of late...

Why include a cable costing 2p to make when the shop you bought the printer from will sell you one for £10+? I tried to do the maths on the markup, but my brain seized up.
There's no public uprisings because the truth is that most customers are idiots. arrogance+++
 
Corner cutting means just that, cutting corners, not the entire package. Of course it's going to be much better than that HP, but people will be unhappy when they discover how much they need to pay to get a display adapter or a remote when they used to come with the package.

What, 15$ is too much for you ?

In a sense, this is better. They don't just include 1 adapter which happens to be the one you don't need so you don't have some waste of material laying around the house and you get to buy the one you actually need, if you do need it.
 
What, 15$ is too much for you ?

In a sense, this is better. They don't just include 1 adapter which happens to be the one you don't need so you don't have some waste of material laying around the house and you get to buy the one you actually need, if you do need it.

He was talking about cutting corners.
You're paying extra for a 'premium brand/product' and they're not including cables that cost a few cents to produce. $15 might not be a huge amount, but it's still 1000's of % pure profit to them, and an annoyance/inconvenience to you.
Waste materials lying around? Pretty obvious the point you're trying to make, but I'd hardly call it 'better'...
 
He was talking about cutting corners.
You're paying extra for a 'premium brand/product' and they're not including cables that cost a few cents to produce. $15 might not be a huge amount, but it's still 1000's of % pure profit to them, and an annoyance/inconvenience to you.
Waste materials lying around? Pretty obvious the point you're trying to make, but I'd hardly call it 'better'...

So getting the wrong adapter is better than getting no adapter at all ? I can already imagine all the posts :

"Apple, this is a slap to the face, why the DVI adapter ? People still have monitors with only VGA!"

"Apple, this is a slap to the face, why the VGA adapter ? All current monitors have DVI ports!"

Lose-Lose situation.
 
...and paying more for less is a decent alternative?
Anyway, in your example they could have dumped a dvi/vga connector in the box and pleased everyone.
They could have designed their machines differently and put a single cable and a few physical connector converters in the box and covered every single option - people that want to connect to their new tvs, people that want monitors for a desktop/replacement, people that want vga for business, people that want analogue for old displays/tvs/friends etc.
Hardly destroying the environment (not that apple are a particularly green company anyway - not getting a/v connectivity isn't in their environmental marketing push is it?), hardly using up loft/cupboard/draw space, hardly costing them anything to provide, but giving the end user a more complete experience.
Can you even get hdmi (even with no sound...)/dp out of their current machines yet? It's all a bit silly in my opinion, especially for such a digital media and 'works out of the box' orientated company.

It's pretty well known that peripheral cables and extra warranties are hugely profitable money making tools used by tech companies, and apple are on the ball, squeezing people with both - it would be nice if more was included in the price, I can't understand why you would think that 'less is better'.
 
Can you even get hdmi (even with no sound...)/dp out of their current machines yet?

Yes.

As for the rest of your post, it's just as you said, many people have many different needs. Instead of trying to guess what the majority need is (which is probably no adapter at all), they just opted to let you decide for your own.

Not to mention it's letting 3rd party manufacturers in on a market.

If it pisses you off that much, you get the most important say in all of this : Take your business elsewhere.
 
Yet here they are, carving their laptop bodies from solid aluminum using lasers and water jets.

You want to see corner-cutting bargain-bin, have a look at my employer-supplied HP Compaq laptop. *creak*

:D :D

The other day, I slipped surreptitiously into a Best Buy to see which laptop would make the best Hackintosh. Only a select few of the Sony VAIOs were acceptably durable, the rest were a total snap-crackle-pop fest. I would wade through the AMD Semprons and Intel Pentiums, and once I'd finally found a Core 2 Duo, I'd go to test the keyboard only to find that CRUNCH! The whole frame bends down like a mattress being lain upon. Also, ridiculously flimsy hinges. :eek:
 
:D :D

The other day, I slipped surreptitiously into a Best Buy to see which laptop would make the best Hackintosh. Only a select few of the Sony VAIOs were acceptably durable, the rest were a total snap-crackle-pop fest. I would wade through the AMD Semprons and Intel Pentiums, and once I'd finally found a Core 2 Duo, I'd go to test the keyboard only to find that CRUNCH! The whole frame bends down like a mattress being lain upon. Also, ridiculously flimsy hinges. :eek:

You are being quite daring in your statements, which are highly contradictory to the adamant claims of superiority of construction and durability asserted by those who believe that overall, PC laptops give you better, for less. In some cases, the specs do appear to be better, on paper - let's not confuse things with your account of an actual, hands on experience.
 
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