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Unfortunately that’s the world we live in, and will continue to until we say enough.

So by the rules of the current game, yay Apple.

yay scammy false advertising

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Why? Is Apple supposed to block google? Does anything change if www dot google dot com is typed in a browser. Is Apple giving up information or is the user? If Bing is chosen as the default, Bing is the paragon of a model of privacy where no information is collected or stored. /s
 
Why? Is Apple supposed to block google? Does anything change if www dot google dot com is typed in a browser. Is Apple giving up information or is the user? If Bing is chosen as the default, Bing is the paragon of a model of privacy where no information is collected or stored. /s

You would honestly defend anything Apple did wouldn't you :)
 
You would honestly defend anything Apple did wouldn't you :)
He asked valid questions. The businesses Apple is in have a demonstrably better data security built in. They collect orders of magnitude less data than the other Tech companies because their business model doesn’t rely on advertising.

But they don’t run a search engine (yet). So should they block Google from their platform (which would immediately result in actual antitrust action instead of the years long nonsense going on right now)?
 
He asked valid questions. The businesses Apple is in have a demonstrably better data security built in. They collect orders of magnitude less data than the other Tech companies because their business model doesn’t rely on advertising.

But they don’t run a search engine (yet). So should they block Google from their platform (which would immediately result in actual antitrust action instead of the years long nonsense going on right now)?

No they don't have to block sites on the open web they don't have to accept huge sums of money to present them as a default setting on their devices either whilst marketing them as privacy focussed.

DuckDuckGo is a search option on iOS, it is much more privacy focussed that Google why isn't that the default?

Apple don't collect the data but they are happy to share the profits with those that do.
 
You seem to lack understanding of the stock market. The value of a company’s shares is heavily affected by what people think of the outlook of a company. Making a profit is not good enough, if the price was high because the market thought the profit was going to grow. If we knew for sure that apple’s profit would stay the same for the next ten years the stock price would probably plummet.
Exactly this! That's why the world is not normal anymore. The stock market is an ill conceived concept. The whole system is not normal.
 
No they don't have to block sites on the open web they don't have to accept huge sums of money to present them as a default setting on their devices either whilst marketing them as privacy focussed.

DuckDuckGo is a search option on iOS, it is much more privacy focussed that Google why isn't that the default?

Apple don't collect the data but they are happy to share the profits with those that do.
While Google search is getting worse over time (because it’s an business and not a knowledge aggregator), the fact remains it’s how most people even *think* about “search” in the first place. Google is literally the verb used in lieu of “search the internet”. So it makes sense that it’s the default (and obviously the fat check that comes with it).

But think about this from the standpoint of a standard consumer, you want me to shell out $1K for a phone and it doesn’t even search the way the entire rest of civilization does?
 
What's going with the Mac? Sales are not only stagnant, they are declining apparently.
That can’t be happening MacBook pros where flying off the shelves after ugly design, fatter, with a notch, cheap keyboard, no Touch Bar and legacy ports was released.
 
While Google search is getting worse over time (because it’s an business and not a knowledge aggregator), the fact remains it’s how most people even *think* about “search” in the first place. Google is literally the verb used in lieu of “search the internet”. So it makes sense that it’s the default (and obviously the fat check that comes with it).

But think about this from the standpoint of a standard consumer, you want me to shell out $1K for a phone and it doesn’t even search the way the entire rest of civilization does?

They just shouldn't pretend that their devices are private in any way.

What this basically amounts to is Google paying Apple to stay out of the search business and cements Googles monopoly position in search.
 
They just shouldn't pretend that their devices are private in any way.

What this basically amounts to is Google paying Apple to stay out of the search business and cements Googles monopoly position in search.
But they are. Just this week we got a slew of “Apple is terrible” stories regarding Activation Lock being the bane of the secondary market.

The FBI continues to try to force Apple to have a back door in their systems.

FULL E2E encryption is now available (finally) in iCloud.

And again the biggest factor here: Apple is the only Big Tech company whose *business model* doesn’t almost completely rely on data gathering. You may scoff at that notion, but it makes a real world difference in their business incentives.


I get that you’ve got a bone to pick, but you’re not doing yourself any favors in credibility by purposely ignoring the steps Apple does take that are easily available for anyone to see.
 
But they are. Just this week we got a slew of “Apple is terrible” stories regarding Activation Lock being the bane of the secondary market.

The FBI continues to try to force Apple to have a back door in their systems.

FULL E2E encryption is now available (finally) in iCloud.

And again the biggest factor here: Apple is the only Big Tech company whose *business model* doesn’t almost completely rely on data gathering. You may scoff at that notion, but it makes a real world difference in their business incentives.


I get that you’ve got a bone to pick, but you’re not doing yourself any favors in credibility by purposely ignoring the steps Apple does take that are easily available for anyone to see.

"doesn't almost completely' interesting qualifier.

They take steps to hobble third parties collecting data yes, when they aren't paying them a fee.
 
"doesn't almost completely' interesting qualifier.

They take steps to hobble third parties collecting data yes, when they aren't paying them a fee.
They’ve got an advertising business, which I hate, but again comparatively it’s a blip in their business revenues.

Do you understand what I’m saying? You can hate aspects of what company X or Y is doing, and I certainly do when it comes to the tax cheat (sorry, “tax avoider”) that Apple is, but when discussing privacy Apple is demonstrably better than the rest. To pretend that isn’t the case is just having a grudge.
 
They’ve got an advertising business, which I hate, but again comparatively it’s a blip in their business revenues.

Do you understand what I’m saying? You can hate aspects of what company X or Y is doing, and I certainly do when it comes to the tax cheat (sorry, “tax avoider”) that Apple is, but when discussing privacy Apple is demonstrably better than the rest. To pretend that isn’t the case is just having a grudge.

They are better than the rest, I don't think their claims on privacy stack up though really.
 
They are better than the rest, I don't think their claims on privacy stack up though really.
That’s fine, but meaningless to everyone here unless you can provide specific qualms.

I personally hate that they’re gearing up their Ad platform (frankly I wish they didn’t have it at all).

Now, we could get into their participation in PRISM (or whatever the modern equivalent may be), but to be so insistent without elaboration or facts just makes your posts come off as complaining into the ether.

We can elevate the discourse online if we try to have a substantive conversation, but that requires bringing some substance.

I’m not trying to belittle it demean you, I just think we can all do our part to keep things sane online.
 
Sales have dropped across the board, only iPad sales are up, that to me instantly shows price increases have made an impact as well as some production issues. And that is not sustainable in the current climate, all Apple are going to do is drive customers away with higher prices, they won’t ‘stretch’ themselves to buy ‘luxury’ goods despite Cooks wishes.
It's also possible that people are holding to their apple devices longer (which is not a bad thing in itself; it shows that contrary to claims of forced obsolescent, Apple hardware does last longer and is supported longer).

I am also thinking that in light of people going longer in between upgrades, it may no longer be meaningful to look at device sales by quarter, because purchases become more spread out. Instead, we need to see it across the entire year. For instance, Mac sales could be down now, but pick up in the next quarter. It doesn't mean anything, just that the majority of people are opting to upgrade then and not now.
 
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That can’t be happening MacBook pros where flying off the shelves after ugly design, fatter, with a notch, cheap keyboard, no Touch Bar and legacy ports was released.
So, compared to the previous ”outlier” years (where Mac sales were abnormally high) it seems like a drop. But, in reality, it’s just going back to normal which is somewhere over 20 million Macs a year. That’s were Apple’s been for awhile as far as the Mac is concerned.

It’s a lot more like “business as usual” than “the sky is falling”.
 
Wow. Too bad more earnings means the "monopoly" haters are coming.

"You made too much money...need to break you up"
You made too much, not by actively trying to take out your competition by purchasing them or pressuring vendors not to do business with them, but by making things that your millions of customers want to pay enough for you to make a 20 to 30% profit on!
 
You made too much, not by actively trying to take out your competition by purchasing them or pressuring vendors not to do business with them, but by making things that your millions of customers want to pay enough for you to make a 20 to 30% profit on!
I think they reported margins slightly decreased at 43%. Any business/finance majors, correct me if I am wrong.
 
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This quote from Tim pisses me off...

Q: Is the move to higher ASP, is that sustainable in this tough macro environment?

A: I wouldn't want to predict, but I would say that the smartphone, for us the ‌iPhone‌, has become so integral into people's lives, it contains their contacts and health information and banking information and smart home and so many different parts of their lives. Payment vehicle for many people. I think people are willing to really stretch to get the best they can afford in that category.

Translation: we can keep putting prices up and the idiots will keep paying! lol! Makes me want to start thinking about alternatives to the Apple walled garden (and I say this as someone who's been fully into iPhones/iOS since the first phone).
 
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