Apple Reports 4Q 2025 Results: $27.5B Profit on $102.5B Revenue

[vantelimus]

Rather than endlessly criticising Apple for no longer being design-led, perhaps stop comparing Apple too much to other companies, and instead allow Apple’s unique attributes to speak for themselves and recognise how Apple is able to set themselves apart from the competition.

Perhaps, then, you shouldn't have said Apple's "ideology is design". As I said "Clearly, what Apple is now doing is working about as well as (and likely better than) anyone could hope in a post-Jobs era." I also said I wasn't going to fetishize the Jobs era. My only intention was to make a factual correction to your romanticized view of Apple's current processes.

 

[Velli]

It never ceases to amaze me at the failures, bugs, mistakes etc that the Apple Faithful, apologists and devotees put up with. It’s as though they can do no wrong.

Puh-lease. The reason we put up with Apple’s many failures is that they pale when compared with the horrors of enduring ownership of Windows and Android devices. You’re pointing fingers at someone having a smudge on his face, while sitting to your neck in… let’s call it “dirt”.

Apple is far from perfect. But the alternatives are so, so much worse.

Anyone who thinks he owns a flawless anything is the blind one.

 

[Velli]

Amazing how relatively flat that Mac sales trend line is, despite these Macs for several years now being significantly better than Intel Macs, and leaps and bounds better than windows trash. Probably inflation keeping people from being able to afford them. People will typically spend more on a phone which is more of a status symbol and some people’s primary computer outside of work.

People are simply sticking to whichever platform they are on. It takes more than a faster, better computer to make the average person switch platform.

 

[thettareddast]

It just feels totally backwards to me. I feel like MagSafe no longer has a place in a world where MacBooks can easily last all day thanks to apple silicon (no need to be camping near a power outlet at an airport or lecture hall). Plus, if you are using a usb-c dock to connect your laptop to an external display, you are charging it via its usb-c port anyways. Also, I would argue that an extra usb-c port is far more versatile than an additional HDMI port, since I can transform that 4th usb-c port into any port I want (given the right adaptor). Also, it feels that people are far more likely to have a usb-c cable at their desk which they can use to charge any of their devices (eg: iPhone, iPad, MacBook, switch, AirPods), rather than MagSafe (which can only charge your laptop).

This is true. I'm a huge fan of MagSafe having used it since my first Mac in 2008 or whenever it was. The MagSafe on my current laptop gets used about 5% of the time. Because the laptop moves around and when it needs charge, it gets charged by the millions of USB-C terminals that I have around.

 

[Velli]

This is true. I'm a huge fan of MagSafe having used it since my first Mac in 2008 or whenever it was. The MagSafe on my current laptop gets used about 5% of the time. Because the laptop moves around and when it needs charge, it gets charged by the millions of USB-C terminals that I have around.

That’s the risk of “giving people want they ask for” instead of looking ahead at how people will use their products in the future. I guess Apple went all-in on USB-C just a tad too early.

 

[WebHead]

Puh-lease. The reason we put up with Apple’s many failures is that they pale when compared with the horrors of enduring ownership of Windows and Android devices. You’re pointing fingers at someone having a smudge on his face, while sitting to your neck in… let’s call it “dirt”.

Apple is far from perfect. But the alternatives are so, so much worse.

 

[citysnaps]

Puh-lease. The reason we put up with Apple’s many failures is that they pale when compared with the horrors of enduring ownership of Windows and Android devices. You’re pointing fingers at someone having a smudge on his face, while sitting to your neck in… let’s call it “dirt”.

Apple is far from perfect. But the alternatives are so, so much worse.

Anyone who thinks he owns a flawless anything is the blind one.

You're talking about the time when the previous CEO was leading Apple, right? More than a dozen flops under his leadership.

 

[zenmacx]

That’s very true. My M1 MacBook Pro is still a very, very productive device, and I use it for software development. I am struggling to come up with a reason to upgrade despite the clear performance improvements.

The M1 MacBook Pro remains an excellent, powerful and highly efficient computer.

It’s never been more valuable as it’s likely paid for and it’s doing the job it was designed to do. Sans some undeniable need to replace it, the sensible financial decision is keep it and continue to enjoy the savings, instead of spending more money replacing it.

Apples true expertise beyond building excellence hardware is their psychological influence in creating the desire amongst their customers for the newest version of a product simply to have the latest shiny object. Reminding me that newer isn't always better.

 

[Tagbert]

You're talking about the time when the previous CEO was leading Apple, right? More than a dozen flops under his leadership.

Yes, if a company doesn't fail to deliver once in a while, then they aren't really pushing to deliver better solutions.

 

[citysnaps]

Yes, if a company doesn't fail to deliver once in a while, then they aren't really pushing to deliver better solutions.

Yeah... iPod Sox comes to mind. Out of the dozen+ flops under the previous CEO.

 

[Velli]

You're talking about the time when the previous CEO was leading Apple, right? More than a dozen flops under his leadership.

“Failures” does not simply mean product flops, and no I’m not talking about any specific era either. Any company has a number of flaws. I prefer to live with Apple’s flaws, rather than the alternatives. Pointing out Apple’s flaws is not in itself proof that competition is any better. That’s why I’m immune to that type of argument.

After I wrote this, I just had a hilarious experience updating Windows on a secondary laptop I use for accessing a specific game only available on Windows (I’m not a gamer, but I am nostalgic about one specific game). It’s too long a story to spell everything out, but in short Windows tells me to update, but only links to articles on why to update, which loops back to the setting screen that tells me I need to update… I only found out how to actually update after lots of googling, ending up on some very nerdy corners of Microsoft’s websites… Just one more reason to hype up Apple.