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One might also say that giving guidance at the start of the quarter is just slightly harder than giving guidance long after the quarter has finished. And one might say that Apple's management are absolute wizards for producing $2.5 bn more sales than they predicted.

Then of course, the management know much more about company's business (contracts etc.) than any analysts and way ahead of those. It's really easy to beat your own estimates - just make them artificially low (and this is exactly what Apple always does).
 
The stock is down 10% after a record quarter that was broadly in line with expectations. The new "transparent" guidance seems to be the culprit. I wonder if it's time for Apple to put that $137 billion to good use with a game-changing acquisition. Clearly the expectation among the market is that Apple's best days are behind it.

Yeah, Apple should just buy the stock market. That's the ticket.
 
I was smart (read: lucky) to sell half of what I had at $690.. I still have a lot left but I sold just to make sure that if it ever dove off the deep end.

But we'll see what happens. I have still seen targets in the $700 range (prays)
 
Down to $461. This is absolutely crazy. $13 billion in profit and the stock is sinking like the Titanic. WTF? :eek:

Apple promised that they wouldn't sandbag their guidance anymore. Then they went and gave a guidance of $41-43B vs. consensus estimate of $45.63B.
 
And one might say that Apple's management are absolute wizards for producing $2.5 bn more sales than they predicted.
And one might say it's easy to fool people into thinking of you as "absolute wizards", after you deliberately kept your guidance overmodestly low to begin with.
 
Then of course, the management know much more about company's business (contracts etc.) than any analysts and way ahead of those. It's really easy to beat your own estimates - just make them artificially low (and this is exactly what Apple always does).

Some people like to set low goals so they are easy to achieve. :D
 
It is refreshing to see a post like this among the dozens of armageddon posts. I haven't had the stock forever, about a couple of years, but I still kick myself for not playing the sell game sometimes.
The stats sheet still looks too good to dump the stock now though.

I thought about selling at $60. I thought about selling at $120. I thought about selling at $300. Basically every time the lilo777s of the world (and they are legion) screamed "Bubble!!! Apple is doooomed!!!!"

Good thing I didn't listen to them then. And I'm certainly not listening to them now. ;)
 
Ouch. For a regular company this would be great, but Apple used to be far from the norm.

The simple fact is they are no longer creating the trend, but trying to keep up with it. It's simple, they need to step their game up. Samsung is killing them.

Apple USED to have the best Ads.
Apple USED to have the best OS, iOS.
Apple USED to have the best phone.
Apple USED to have the best innovation.

This is no longer the case. Straighten up fellas, begin acting like you're part of the company Steve Jobs resurrected.

Let's not get carried away. If Apple *used* to be those things, then how is it that Apple's smartphone customer satisfaction numbers are so much higher than Samsung's? And what has Samsung done to make you think they're out-innovating Apple? iPhone 5 runs circles around Sammy's devices; from manufacturing to the CPU, to the design; everything about it is superior unless you think NFC is a huge deal.

I can't say that I thought iOS 6 was anything special, but what were the big innovations for Android the past two releases? For the last release, it was an Airplay clone; far from exciting.

I really don't understand where this Apple isn't innovating sentiment is coming from... it's certainly not based on reality. I think some folks need to lower their expectations because not even Apple can defy the laws of physics or blow people away with each product update.

This article should help put things into perspective: http://blogs.hbr.org/pallotta/2013/01/the-market-wants-apple-to-unve.html
 
Then what is? Putting NFC into your phone which requires over a minute to transfer a photo, or 16+ minutes for a 50MB video, when I could transfer it over the internet in a fraction of the time, and then marketing that as a feature?

Is that what you call innovation? If so, I don't want it.

its not our job to come up with those innovations and playing "catch up" with NFC isnt innovating and what i'm asking for either.

its time to come up with something "revolutionary" and groundbreaking again. just like "slide to unlock" and multitouch was back in 2007.

hell, a water resistant iPhone which u can throw in the ocean without breaking would be a step forward already ^^

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people ... stop buying everything apple pulls out !!! (... lookin at myself btw :D)
they need to fall on their ass again to get their lazy ass up from their "throne"
 
Down to $461. This is absolutely crazy. $13 billion in profit and the stock is sinking like the Titanic. WTF?
In the short term, their absolute don't matter. Whatsoever.
Previous expectations had been already factored in the stock price.
New information in relation to previous expectations is what makes the stock price move (in the short term).

By the way: Apple's stock price is now pretty much at the same price as it was a year ago.

And yes, they've increased sales and absolute earnings since then. But last year the stock also had been hyped. I see all of this as rather some leveling out between overconfident and disappointed expectations.
 
Yeah, Apple should just buy the stock market. That's the ticket.

Look, we all know they became way too dependent on Samsung, and wound up building up their competitor. Sharp, LG, or significant operations of them (e.g. displays) could be snapped up for a relative song. Maybe Apple needs to gain control over its manufacturing in order to compete at lower price ranges. Remember, they said that the iPhone 4 was capacity constrained. People liked "free" phones, it seems.
 
Then what is? Putting NFC into your phone which requires over a minute to transfer a photo, or 16+ minutes for a 50MB video, when I could transfer it over the internet in a fraction of the time, and then marketing that as a feature?

Is that what you call innovation? If so, I don't want it.

Samsung sbeam can make use of wifi-direct for the data transfer. Upto 300Mbps.

http://androidfact.com/what-is-s-beam/

It is actually quite a nice feature:
http://www.androidcentral.com/jelly-bean-feature-sending-photos-and-videos-over-android-beam

How do I send a contact or a picture from my iphone5 to another one?
 
Then what is? Putting NFC into your phone which requires over a minute to transfer a photo, or 16+ minutes for a 50MB video, when I could transfer it over the internet in a fraction of the time, and then marketing that as a feature?

Is that what you call innovation? If so, I don't want it.

The actual transfer is not done by NFC


-9.85%? WTF?

At what hour closes the AH market?
 
That's all correct, the problem is Wall Street pricing won't reflect any of that. That's true of most companies, but AAPL is especially out of touch with fundamentals. When you post record profits and still get beaten down for it, repeatedly, you have a problem, despite it being completely illogical.

It's going to take years for the stock to get anywhere near $700, if it ever does get back there. That's a huge hole they have to dig themselves out of and they haven't even "turned the corner" yet WRT stock price. I hate to say it, but they're screwed. There seems to be absolutely nothing they can do to convince Wall Street they're going to continue to be profitable. If record profits don't do it, what possibly could? Apple TV? I doubt it.

I just sold my position in apple. I was in at 200 and 250 long. The thing that drove apple over the years was rumors and high margin products which gave apple new areas to grow. But right now, we have no idea where that will come from. Margins are falling. Product designs have stagnated.

Apple will still be a great company and make loads of money, but in terms of growth, I am not sure where it will come from. China will help, but they may have to make a cheaper iPhone for the emerging markets which again, hurts margins. Steve jobs isn't around to provide the vision he once gave them, and it remains to be seen whether the restructuring of the management will change things.

I see AAPL dropping to the $425 levels short term and maybe testing $400 this quarter. Without a new product to drive growth, I think we will settle down around $400 and remain there. Sure, fundamentally it doesn't make sense, but sometimes it doesn't.
 
Anyone watching CNBC? Did I hear John say that Apple won't sandbag anymore to beat earnings and will give realistic guidance from now on?

I heard that too. then watched it fall with more velocity. So essentially they've been lying to us?
 
It's going to take years for the stock to get anywhere near $700

Maybe. But I'll bet 2014 at the latest. I've seen this song and dance too many times before.

if it ever does get back there.

My money says it will. Again, let history be your guide.

Don't forget, people, that Apple shot themselves in the foot this quarter with the new Mac introductions. They simply weren't ready to sell/ship. That really hurts the bottom line...but only temporarily.

As for mobile, Samsung is currently ruling the market with their plastic crap. The good news for Apple is this gives them plenty of room for growth. I'd be more worried about the stock price if Apple owned 80% of the market. They don't. They're still a minority player. They have not peaked. Opportunities abound.

AAPL ain't MSFT.
 
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Any word yet on next years "iPhone killer"?

There can't be two killers for one creatures. Galaxy S already killed iPhone. SGS3 outsold iPhone 4S in Q3 and looking at Q4 numbers (and a fact that iPhone 5 amount to less than 50% of all iPhone sales) it looks like S3 will stay on top (or get back to it in Q1, Q2 and on.
 
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