Perhaps but we're at four years and counting with no growth, with iPhone demand and gross margins still not bottoming out yet.
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Apple Reports Q3 2019 Results: $10B Profit on $53.8B Revenue, Highest June Quarter Revenue Ever
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Perhaps but we're at four years and counting with no growth, with iPhone demand and gross margins still not bottoming out yet.
Now financial analysts are looking deeper into the reported results and highlighting the problems Apple is facing with the iPhones sales. Shares are tanking at the moment
Not sure if that really matters. Stock is on the way up, Wall st. doesn’t seem to care.
A stock can only go up for so long without a commensurate increase in real growth to support it. The market is always a game of confidence and musical chairs.
Compared to one year ago, AAPL is actually underperforming S&P by 1.5%. AAPL is up 4% but, apparently, this has little to do with Apple per se.
Yep, Apple stock marches to the tune of its own drum.
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Market cap hit $1T once and is now on its way up again. Apple stock seems to defy conventional wisdom.
AAPL market cap is already at $949B. How quickly things change. One post on Twitter and billions are gone!
What conventional wisdom does it defy? Valuation metrics placed on individual companies by the market varies all the time as companies go in and out of favor.
The bolded. Market isn’t always reflective of financial metrics and the interpretation metrics can be manipulated.
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And they could change just as fast the other way.
The interpretation of metrics is done individually by market participants. There are analysts who generate and disseminate their own interpretations but ultimately a stock rises or falls by the collective interpretation of the market. The only way that can be manipulated is by the company itself in terms of its financial reporting but I don't see any evidence of Apple doing that.
They should impose an IQ restriction for using Twitter, at least - since they can’t impose it on running a country.
I (generally) ignore him and a few others. During a time period where everyone got hit in the face, to acknowledge that Apple was the best at dodging most of the punches isn’t good enough. They want to pretend no blows landed.
I'm guessing iPod Touch sales are less than 0.1% of the pie!
AFAIK, Google is still paying Apple billions to make them the default search engine on Apple products? Not sure which of those categories would address that though.
AFAIK, Google is still paying Apple billions to make them the default search engine on Apple products? Not sure which of those categories would address that though.
Financial metrics can be interpreted any way to form an opinion that could be seen as manipulation. See the various posts on this board for examples. And your of course correct on the collective of the market, it’s not predictable.
Oh, as I’ve said, for the first time in years, I am optimistic about Apple being able to generate significant growth in the future, again. They need another year to fix the product line and to start seeing benefits from Jony Ive’s departure. Those improved products won’t truly start to appear until 2021.
So we’ll have one more year or “meh” products, and lack of growth, but should see an uptick in the Mac segments first, followed by iPhones in 2021 - hopefully.
You and @Burger Thing are absolutely, 100% right.
Not only has Apple driven away their premium upgrades with overpricing those models, but also by alienating those upgrades by removing the Home Button and dramatically altering the UI and thus the UX. I believe that people would have paid the price if the X product had still remained an iPhone. Instead Apple basically presented an overpriced Android phone (all the new “Home” gestures are identical to the same gestures on Android - to coin a phrase ‘innovate? my ass!’ “.
Yep, agreed - it’s a combination of ‘typical apple fanboi’(*) and ignorance of market forces. Like you, I have a bunch of them on ‘ignore’ (and add new ones after I reply to them).
(*) they are the kind that not only applaud Apple removing the Home Button, but declares now ‘hating’ to Home Button, while perfectly ignoring that the ‘new’ Home Gestures Apple has introduced as a result are identical to what Android has (which has managed to provide a virtual Home Button’).
Well this Apple fan is not missing the home button. And that if Apple did copy the gestures, it’s payback for android copying the notch.Yep, agreed - it’s a combination of ‘typical apple fanboi’(*) and ignorance of market forces. Like you, I have a bunch of them on ‘ignore’ (and add new ones after I reply to them).
(*) they are the kind that not only applaud Apple removing the Home Button, but declares now ‘hating’ to Home Button, while perfectly ignoring that the ‘new’ Home Gestures Apple has introduced as a result are identical to what Android has (which has managed to provide a virtual Home Button’).
As far as Jony Ive departure, that incompetent helped make Apple what it is today. But no one is indespensable.
That statement should apply to Tim Cook as well.
Google's main business isn't selling user data.
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He’s an employee of Apple being remunerated for his contributions to the company in line with his pay package.
I have not seen anything illegal about the way he has earned his money.
It’s telling when you have to resort to a strawman, instead of sticking to facts. I never called Ive incompetent - he’s a very capable industrial designer that was part of a well-functioning team that made Apple at the time. Jony Ive was good as long as he had someone like Steve saying “no” or “this is crap” or “start over”, ie Jony Ive (like almost all designers) is good as long as he was given guidance and direction. Once Steve died, that team died - and with it, the restraint and focus that Jony Ive needed.
If Steve Jobs we’re capable to come back from the dead, he would fire a number of people, Jony chief amongst them (and no, he wouldn’t fire Tim Cook).
Anyway, like I stated in an earlier reply, you’re probably not capable of seeing the bigger picture here, which is why you confirmed what I said about fanbois...
Google’s primary business is exploiting user data and metrics, which requires frequently violating user privacy. To Google, YOU are the product.
The word "incompetent" aside (which was used and I thought you were alluding to Jony Ive https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...he-notch-in-2019.2132842/page-3#post-27598541), the lack of seeing the bigger picture, has been, imo, an endemic here. Armchair CEOs and CFOs reign supreme and so far, most of them have gotten little right about apple.
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