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Didn't the Soviet Union and China, around 5 or 7 decades ago, force factory owners to give all their profits back? IIRC, 10's of millions in those regions died of starvation during that forced "give back". (Far more than in the U.S. during that same period.) And you want to try that again?

Yes, that's exactly what I want.
 
This is true. No-one should pay more tax than they have to.

But what a shame that the US's investment in educating all the bright people that work at Apple isn't resulting in a massive repayment. Bumper profits but minimal tax payments. And how many people do Apple actually employ in the US? Most of the people earning from Apple and paying tax on their earnings live elsewhere.

I'd be amazed if any American is truly happy with this set-up (apart from any Apple shareholders, of course).


You should google how many USA people Apple employs! It's over 50,000. How many jobs does Apple create in the USA in the form of spinoffs? maybe over 500,000!

What you say about people paying taxes on their earnings above - I disagree

You seem to resent success and profit for no good reason.

Take pride in Apple - It's an American Company that is doing a lot more good than you may even know about. Research and compare with other companies and compare the ethics if you want.

Find something else to be negative about haha - I guess there isn't much after this record breaking quarter.

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Just wait a day or two when the big fund managers realize that the only way to improve their massive portfolios is to include more AAPL in their billions of holdings. The empty headed suits take a while to filter this stuff, but the tsunami of AAPL orders is coming! How else can these managers beat the S&P500 for their pension funds?
 
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Then how do you explain Windows and Linux, where the most closed platform is by and far winning and the most open platform is by and far losing?

Winning what? Across all devices there are far more instances of Linux than Windows.

The only place it isn't winning yet is on the desktop.
 
You should google how many USA people Apple employs! It's over 50,000. How many jobs does Apple create in the USA in the form of spinoffs? maybe over 500,000!

What you say about people paying taxes on their earnings above - I disagree

You seem to resent success and profit for no good reason.

Take pride in Apple - It's an American Company that is doing a lot more good than you may even know about. Research and compare with other companies and compare the ethics if you want.

Find something else to be negative about haha - I guess there isn't much after this record breaking quarter.

On a Happier Note:
Just wait a day or two when the big fund managers realize that the only way to improve their massive portfolios is to include more AAPL in their billions of holdings. The empty headed suits take a while to filter this stuff, but the tsunami of AAPL orders is coming! How else can these managers beat the S&P500 for their pension funds?

The tax system is extremely broken. Cmon, where have you been? And, they may employ some Americans but let's be honest here.... They ought to be employing a LOT more with those kind of mind boggling numbers. What's wrong with sharing wealth with the workforce and those who helped create it?

The fact remains that Apple and various other companies could and should build things here and it would barely dent their stratospheric profit margins.

That's why I'm for tariffs on imports. You wanna make things overseas? No problem.... Pay up. :D

This is true. No-one should pay more tax than they have to.

But what a shame that the US's investment in educating all the bright people that work at Apple isn't resulting in a massive repayment. Bumper profits but minimal tax payments. And how many people do Apple actually employ in the US? Most of the people earning from Apple and paying tax on their earnings live elsewhere.

I'd be amazed if any American is truly happy with this set-up (apart from any Apple shareholders, of course).

The problem with Apple and others playing the tax haven games is that regular people that are on payrolls and small business owners are left to pick up the slack which means higher taxes for us. Yeah, that's how it works. So, to satiate the never ending appetites of some big shareholders, me and everyone else has to pay more in property and income taxes to cover the loss of tax revenue due to these schemes.

I don't know whay this is so hard to understand and it's comical that some of the pro investor types cheer over this and then don't realize that their huge tax bill is a by product of it. It's like holding the door open for the guy coming to rob your house and making him a meal as he steals from you. It's sad and funny at the same time.

This world SO needs a system in place to simply eliminate tax shelters and start forcing the issue. It could be done but it'd take cooperation from lots of countries and people. Good luck with that, right?

BLEH.
 
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They haven't been updated in a while, and the Music portion of Apple's business was hardly mentioned last year. However, we know about Beats. Let's wait until the Beats Music re-unveiling, there might be new iPods/a sign of where the iPod is going then.

Yes, I forgot about the Beats acquisition. You might be right…. the Beats acquisition could potentially lead to a revitalized line of Apple music-oriented devices.

However, my gut feeling is that the Beats acquisition had little to do with audio hardware (Apple doesn't really care about those silly headphones). It had mostly to do with software, content, and talent from the Beats company (i.e. the goal is to make iTunes more competitive).

I hope that you are right, nevertheless.
 
Yes, I forgot about the Beats acquisition. You might be right…. the Beats acquisition could potentially lead to a revitalized line of Apple music-oriented devices. /QUOTE]
Such as?

The iPod is dying, the phone is the device for music listening. I don't get the Beat acquisition, and it still doesn't make sense to me.
 
Wow, Apple fans have at last realised the benefits of a phablet and ditched their iPads :rolleyes:

Interesting how most of the sales boosts came from China which is the market Apple have only just entered into, and yeap, pretty much as posters have said on here, Apple is just an iOS phone company and nothing else now.

They've been this for quite some time.
 
Definitely. Having stuff smaller and lighter is all very well, but they could do so much more if they wanted. I don't know much about business, but is it not quite risky to just churn out the same half dozen products each year just with some minor updates?

What amazing stuff does Google churn out every year that actually makes them money? Music subscriptions on YouTube? Wow that's some mind blowing stuff there.
 
What amazing stuff does Google churn out every year that actually makes them money? Music subscriptions on YouTube? Wow that's some mind blowing stuff there.

Google X

Google Labs

Google Research

Apple makes HW Google is a SW company they're really hard to compare. Google does stuff just because, Apple stays focused on their products. Both in some sense push things forward but someone has to do the baseline research.
 
Wow, Apple fans have at last realised the benefits of a phablet and ditched their iPads :rolleyes:

Interesting how most of the sales boosts came from China which is the market Apple have only just entered into, and yeap, pretty much as posters have said on here, Apple is just an iOS phone company and nothing else now.

Yeah because $23B in non-iPhones revenue is "nothing else now". You do realize that's only $3B less than the total revenue Microsoft reported this quarter? Do people knock Faebook and Google because 90%+ of their revenues come from advertising?
 
Apple customers and apple shareholders couldn't be further apart culturally. Lulz at reading many of the comments in this thread regarding apple's ethical responsibility, cash holdings, and tax structure.
 
Google X

Google Labs

Google Research

Apple makes HW Google is a SW company they're really hard to compare. Google does stuff just because, Apple stays focused on their products. Both in some sense push things forward but someone has to do the baseline research.

I'm talking specifically about stuff that generates revenue/profits for Google. Whether Apple should be involved in moonshots or have an equivalent to Google X is another discussion.
 
I'm talking specifically about stuff that generates revenue/profits for Google. Whether Apple should be involved in moonshots or have an equivalent to Google X is another discussion.

If no one does baseline research then products can't be made to make money. The research is the other side of the money making product coin.
 
Well, personally, I think it's shameful that a company chooses to make so much profit. And even more disgusting that they choose to build further on their $180bn (is that right?) cash pile and continue to employ tax avoidance schemes.

It makes me ashamed to own a Mac knowing that I've added to it.

If Apple brings back the money that they have made, they will have to pay taxes to the Federal Reserve. Most people don't know that the Federal Reserve is private and owned by german banking families the control everything else. Greed or smart move?

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There are many ways to label Apples greed, but there's no hiding it. I'm all for profit making and success but Apple does tend to charge very high prices for products that have ceased living up to Apples once excellent reputation. It's shame they get away with shipping buggy stuff.

Well the QC issues are blowing open now but it will be some time before it slows them down in terms if sales.
 
Imagine how many phones they would have sold if all those millions of iPhones weren't bending in half in peoples pockets!
 
Didn't the Soviet Union and China, around 5 or 7 decades ago, force factory owners to give all their profits back? IIRC, 10's of millions in those regions died of starvation during that forced "give back". (Far more than in the U.S. during that same period.) And you want to try that again?

china does this now, you have to pay a percentage of your salary.
 
If no one does baseline research then products can't be made to make money. The research is the other side of the money making product coin.

The majority of Google's revenue is from advertising. How is Google X or Google Research driving more ad revenue?
 
This is true. No-one should pay more tax than they have to.

But what a shame that the US's investment in educating all the bright people that work at Apple isn't resulting in a massive repayment. Bumper profits but minimal tax payments. And how many people do Apple actually employ in the US? Most of the people earning from Apple and paying tax on their earnings live elsewhere.

I'd be amazed if any American is truly happy with this set-up (apart from any Apple shareholders, of course).

It's amazing the negative spin on such positive news. Maybe you'd be happier if Apple declared backruptcy and the US lost a couple of hundred thousand jobs in the economy?
 
The majority of Google's revenue is from advertising. How is Google X or Google Research driving more ad revenue?

It's not it's being done to help their add revenue it's in essence done because. But Google research and X will be used by other companies that will produce products. Again it's two sides of coin Googles ad revenue and strengthening in infrastructure allow them to do things like this.
 
You mis-interpret me. I'm not butt hurt about it at all. In fact my butt feels just dandy. Please leave my butt out of this discussion.

My original comment was simply an insightful observation about the changing nature of Apple's sales and financials.

My comment was similar to how Ford and GM are primarily pension companies with an auto business on the side. After many decades giving out fat pensions to union workers, each year the Detroit automakers pay out more money to retired worker pensions than they spend in capital investment to build factories, design products, etc, combined. For example, in 2013 Ford's worldwide net income was $5.5 Billion, and last year Ford's pension fund was under-funded by $18.7 Billion.

Pensions and automobiles are two completely different things.

Smartphones and Laptops are not - they are both personal computers.

My apologies for bringing your butt into this. Glad everything's ok there.
 
Yes, I forgot about the Beats acquisition. You might be right…. the Beats acquisition could potentially lead to a revitalized line of Apple music-oriented devices.

However, my gut feeling is that the Beats acquisition had little to do with audio hardware (Apple doesn't really care about those silly headphones). It had mostly to do with software, content, and talent from the Beats company (i.e. the goal is to make iTunes more competitive).

I hope that you are right, nevertheless.

I agree, I think the Beats acquisition was mainly for the streaming music service.

However, if Apple are working on a Beats Music rebrand/relaunch - whatever you want to call it - they could be holding out on iPods.

They could be about to ditch the iPod. Then again, they could be about to relaunch them with Wi-Fi + Beats Music built in.
 
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