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Actually health sensors would make a big difference for type 1 diabetics. It would increase their quality of life. Right now type 1 diabetic‘s need to have a CGM ($$$$) inserted into them or they have to prick their fingers 10 times a day and carry around a testing kit.


Plus there are several hundred million type 1 diabetics.

just stating facts
I'll only replace a $3600 a year Dexcom if the sensors are accurate. I don't see that occurring any time soon however.
Til then, Sugarmate to the rescue.
 
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I'll only replace a $3600 a year Dexcom if the sensors are accurate. I don't see that occurring any time soon however.
Til then, Sugarmate to the rescue.
Agreed! I am a type one diabetic n was in a study about 22 years ago. A company was testing out a non-invasive blood glucose meter. They would put my arm on the device take a measurement and then pull blood out of my artery. And then compare the two readings. Study went on for at least three or four months. I would come down to Phoenix every other weekend and spend the weekends and they would test me all weekend. Here we are 22 years later that never came to market and there’s at least 10 companies still working on the technology. I had thought that Apple with unlimited amount of money they could get the product to market quickest. But it may be too hard of an engineering problem at this day and age. Uggh!
 
Agreed! I am a type one diabetic n was in a study about 22 years ago. A company was testing out a non-invasive blood glucose meter. They would put my arm on the device take a measurement and then pull blood out of my artery. And then compare the two readings. Study went on for at least three or four months. I would come down to Phoenix every other weekend and spend the weekends and they would test me all weekend. Here we are 22 years later that never came to market and there’s at least 10 companies still working on the technology. I had thought that Apple with unlimited amount of money they could get the product to market quickest. But it may be too hard of an engineering problem at this day and age. Uggh!

The engineering is easy. Tim Cook is just working out how to turn it into a subscription model.

Coming soon… Health+
 
I've been thinking that we should probably have an NPO that hosts FOSS web-apps...

I'm pretty sure the world has no shortage of programmers who would be willing to work on projects like this to improve everyone's lives, no payment needed.

The reason we don't see this happen is for the same reason there's no FOSS apps on the iOS App Store - there's a gatekeeper who demands to be paid. The iOS App Store can't be fixed unless Apple is willing (or compelled by governments) to change. But I think web-apps can be - Wikipedia is proof that NPOs can operate enormous websites.

This would also be a way to bypass Apple's App Store and finally see free quality software on the iPhone - via the web browser.
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Actually health sensors would make a big difference for type 1 diabetics. It would increase their quality of life. Right now type 1 diabetic‘s need to have a CGM ($$$$) inserted into them or they have to prick their fingers 10 times a day and carry around a testing kit.


Plus there are several hundred million type 1 diabetics.

just stating facts
Yes those are facts and glucose monitoring with the watch is years away. Probably close to 5-10.

I’ve been in the medical laboratory field for 20+ years. No one is worried about noninvasive blood glucose monitoring
 
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Brutal and extremely regulated (for a good reason) but also not embracing new technologies, some times for good and sometimes for not so good reasons… and they do not like newcomers… I think Apple understands what they’re into, but it is a very fine line working on technology and staying out of regulation
Medical devices are a lot easier to pump out than pharmaceuticals though. Everything is different from the scope of trials to the approval process.

When they released that 02 sensor last year and it wasn't approved as a medical device, I knew it was going to be a crap shoot with accuracy, and long term tests show that it is.

I think the issue is more that the technology to measure certain things through sensors on the skin just isn't there yet. The rumors about being able to test glucose for example.... if you coud do this without blood accurately, there would be something on the market already and it wouldn't have come from Apple. That's Theranos territory. The closest thing required a chip implanted under the skin. I don't discount that someday that tech won't come.... but I don't have high hopes it's getting crammed into an Apple watch and being reliable.
 
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Medical devices are a lot easier to pump out than pharmaceuticals though. Everything is different from the scope of trials to the approval process.

When they released that 02 sensor last year and it wasn't approved as a medical device, I knew it was going to be a crap shoot with accuracy, and long term tests show that it is.

I think the issue is more that the technology to measure certain things through sensors on the skin just isn't there yet. The rumors about being able to test glucose for example.... if you coud do this without blood accurately, there would be something on the market already and it wouldn't have come from Apple. That's Theranos territory. The closest thing required a chip implanted under the skin. I don't discount that someday that tech won't come.... but I don't have high hopes it's getting crammed into an Apple watch and being reliable.
I think the technology is there, just not ready yet, as it would make the particular device a "true" medical device, and Apple is not going to turn the "standard" watch into a medical device (would take years of clinical trials etc), but, they could release a special edition <insert name> here and sell it for 5x the pricer, they could release a band. A band might make more sense and there are plenty "bendable" sensors already on the market
 
Yes those are facts and glucose monitoring with the watch is years away. Probably close to 5-10.

I’ve been in the medical laboratory field for 20+ years. No one is worried about noninvasive blood glucose monitoring
There’s a minimum of 10 companies working on it now. Maybe one will succeed or maybe none will succeed. Seems plenty of companies want the solution for the $$$$ possibilities.
 
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There’s a minimum of 10 companies working on it now. Maybe one will succeed or maybe none will succeed. Seems plenty of companies want the solution for the $$$$ possibilities.
It would be an incredible accomplishment. There have been companies trying this for years. It’s not close to being ready.
 
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competitive to ?????
Competitive to a purpose-built device that does ONLY that. For example, a pulse-ox sleeve you fit over your thumb. The watch will usually say "Could not give a reading, please hold your hand straight and try again". The dedicated device does not do that, and will also read out much faster. If you have both devices, and you compare them, you would buy the dedicated device every time. Sure, people have gone into the hospital and had their lives saved by doing the watch reading. No argument there, and a good thing, too!🍸😸
 
There is no proof that the current Series 7 was a last minute gap measure. And even if there was proof, it would have been bad business to knowingly release something that would break or not hold to production standards.

Tech is getting more mature every year. One of the biggest problems on this forum is with bad expectations born from rumors and projected bias.

Many here are expecting Apple to release more sensors and a bigger battery. The tech isn't there right now. There is nothing wrong with this year's Apple Watch. It may not meet some exceptions of a vocal minority here but, that doesn't mean it is an inferior product or that it won't make many others happy. Stop trying to convince other strangers they shouldn't upgrade. Worry about yourself as you aren't paying other forum members upgrade bills.
 
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Nokia wasn’t worried about the iPhone, and neither was blackberry…
That may be true. But those are phones, they aren’t medical devices which is a whole different league.

I’ll stand by my statement. The Apple Watch isn’t going to have a glucose sensor for years if ever
 
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