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Apple Restricting Use of NFC Antenna in iPhone 6 and 6 Plus to Apple Pay
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NFC has been in android and been open and unrestricted for the last 3 years. What have they done with it?
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lol yep and after the jailbreak, when security issues come up. still blame apple
If that were true bluetooth would be dead. For phones and computers. So would every other wireless technology.
No need to have Apples back here they have enough of their own employees to fight their corner.
Yeah, and it's great for everyone outside the US too because now we have a chip in there that does absolutely nothing which is great because... Because... We still get to pay money for it to be there?... Oh joy.
Of course it will come to the UK, they can't keep this US centric forever. We already have NFC terminals in 90% of stores now as you say, so it's more of a matter of activating apple pay with UK banks than rolling out the infrastructure. As we have had chip and pin since the early 2000s it would be more of a matter of convenience than security, though
You mean like iMessage?
Didn't they say they were going to allow other venders to use it when it was announced?
We have speakers on our devices too but we still don't have iTunes radio. Seems Apple doesn't give a **** if you're outside the US.
When it's safe and makes sense to remove restrictions, they will do it. Will it happen next year? I honestly don't know. But I do know Apple is obsessed with security and protecting our personal information, so they will be working on solving these problems already.
Makes sense from both a security perspective and also preventing other NFC consortiums from piggybacking on Apple's success; i.e., "encouraging," merchants to adopt Apple's system if they want to cash in on the lucrative iPhone user base.
The iPhone has been a walled garden from the start so I don't know why anyone is that surprised NFC use is limited in the iPhone. Personally I'm glad it is because it puts security responsibilities on Apple front and center; there is no wiggle room if fraud happens because Apple Pay is Apple's baby 100%.
The iPhone has been a walled garden from the start so I don't know why anyone is that surprised NFC use is limited in the iPhone. Personally I'm glad it is because it puts security responsibilities on Apple front and center; there is no wiggle room if fraud happens because Apple Pay is Apple's baby 100%.
Boo! One of the major reasons I don't get a new iPhone is that Bluetooth usage is crippled and now it finally has NFC they're going to do the exact same thing to it!?
0/10 Apple. There is no reason why NFC can't be used for many other things. And the same goes for Bluetooth.
0/10 Apple. There is no reason why NFC can't be used for many other things. And the same goes for Bluetooth.
Wrong. TouchID is a biometrical authentication system more secure than using the touch screen to sign on it for example but Apple Pay is a contactless payment system where the authentication happens via TouchID (it could happen via many other methods, such as signature, password, two-step verification, call, etc...) and the communication and security relies on NFC which was designed for the short distance communication, and now popular for contactless payments.
Since Apple wouldn't make any cent if it would allow the NFC interface to be used by anyone (let's recall that Apple hasn't invented NFC...) then that's why it won't be opened to anyone.
Apple just created a way for further revenue to its pocket thru its flagship product using current technologies. It is an extra revenue, not a exchange or shift of revenue, so Apple doesn't need to open anything as it will just get more profit.
Merchant doesn't get anything more or less out of having Apple Pay (let's not forget it is just a 'safe' wallet for physical payments, a secure enclave to store your cards and pay with them). I don't see how a merchant can cash in the iPhone user base until Apple Pay is spread as MasterCard or VISA because you will always have to carry your cards (or even cash) with you to pay for that frequent moment when Apple Pay won't be available at that shop...
The security of the system is on NFC technology, not on Apple. Apple just put together current technologies, and I'm certain Apple will have an insurance for fraud as it has been proven that TouchID can be hacked (the NFC communication relies also on its own technology, tokenization, which is exploited by Apple to provide 'security').
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If that's the case, NFC on my new phone will just be useless.
I don't see the point of using apple pay anyway. I only have 2 cards that I use in everyday transaction. All my cards have NFC and a chip. Most places I frequent have paywave/paypass. It's just about holding my wallet against the machine and that's it. Apple pay is not going to replace my wallet unless we are entering a 100% cashless society. I don't see that coming in the near future.
I don't see the point of using apple pay anyway. I only have 2 cards that I use in everyday transaction. All my cards have NFC and a chip. Most places I frequent have paywave/paypass. It's just about holding my wallet against the machine and that's it. Apple pay is not going to replace my wallet unless we are entering a 100% cashless society. I don't see that coming in the near future.
Extremely Disappointing. NFC is used for other things too, such as pairing with my camera.
Since Apple Pay isn't in Canada, NFC will be a door stop. I'd like to see Interac using Apple Pay or coming up with their own implementation.
I suppose this is all to do with others competing against against Apple Pay.
Since Apple Pay isn't in Canada, NFC will be a door stop. I'd like to see Interac using Apple Pay or coming up with their own implementation.
I suppose this is all to do with others competing against against Apple Pay.
Then they need to hurry up and actually have Apple Pay in my country if they are not letting third parties on board.
I don't know how you think this works, but you can't just write an app and do payments over the phone. This needs to be secure. Not just secure but SECURE. Not just SECURE but absolutely unbreakably secure. You'd have to convince the banks that this app is secure. That it is absolutely unhackable. This is about money going from your wallet directly into someone else's wallet. That's the kind of problem were you hire only developers that needed to be treated for excessive paranoia. _After_ stopping their treatment.
Yesterday, I left my wallet in my car. I had just been to the bank and had it out of my pocket, but forgot to put it back in. The problem arose when I was in line at the grocery store with a million people behind me at the register. I had to run out to my car to get it, embarrassing to say the least. Apple Pay would have come in handy there.
I'm also not surprised by this news; but a little disappointed. I wonder if its closed for security reasons or if they just want to bake it for a while on its own before opening it up. Kind of like with third-party apps on the first iPhone and then later an App Store coming along.
Unfortunately not surprising. This is the downside of iOS and why I was drawn away to Android a few years ago.
It's a balancing game now between which is worse, iOS's locked down nature or Android's.. well, mess, and Google's lack of concern for user privacy.
At the moment I'm still gravitating towards iOS despite this. Much like the stylus and the open bluetooth, I have them on my Samsung Note, YAY and yet.... have never actually used them. I wanted them on principle, but perhaps Apple were right not to be too concerned about those things. They know when something is important, like large screens, and get around to it eventually.
It's a balancing game now between which is worse, iOS's locked down nature or Android's.. well, mess, and Google's lack of concern for user privacy.
At the moment I'm still gravitating towards iOS despite this. Much like the stylus and the open bluetooth, I have them on my Samsung Note, YAY and yet.... have never actually used them. I wanted them on principle, but perhaps Apple were right not to be too concerned about those things. They know when something is important, like large screens, and get around to it eventually.
It's security as well. Chip and Pin made it quite difficult to clone your card and show up with a cloned card in a shop and make purchases. But it's still the case that a crooked merchant or employee can copy your card details and then they can be used to make online purchases (or obviously the same with stolen cards).
With Apple Pay, nobody ever sees your credit card or debit card number, so nobody ever gets a chance to use it for online fraud. For example, at least two colleagues of mine ran into trouble after buying fuel at the same petrol station which apparently had one crooked employee. If you could and did use Apple Pay, that wouldn't have happened.
I think I speak for a very high percentage of the UK when I say we mostly use VISA with some MasterCard and American Express here and there too. You know, the same companies Apple has convinced it's safe enough to use in the US...
JB is the answer to everything doesn't wanna give access to
The one and only "gold key" to unlock all secrets
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This is the same statement i remember when Apple said back in the day "that developers can't install third party keyboards." Apple said "NO"
But look whats happened ....
Give it time, NFC will allow us too.
The one and only "gold key" to unlock all secrets
(edits: ok....i gotta lay off the movies) ..
This is the same statement i remember when Apple said back in the day "that developers can't install third party keyboards." Apple said "NO"
But look whats happened ....
Give it time, NFC will allow us too.