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Gosh, you people are silly.
4. What actually happened is engineers made a call that a more accurate HDD temp sensor system made a measurable impact in service life. (thus making the entire unit, which is what we are concerned about, more reliable)
Karl P

Making cases bigger would also help HDD temperatures and have a measurable impact in service life. But Apple continues cramming parts in as tight as possible because it is obsessed with its thin mantra. Which is what forced the engineers to hunt for this solution in the first place.

I'll take a bigger case with better airflow over a computer running at the ragged edge of heat stroke.
 
What's wrong with all of you trolls?? I think it's wonderful that we now have to use proprietary Hard Drives in our iMacs. Think about it, do you really want to use a "crappy, clunky, and junky" Windows Hard Drive??

AS you know, Apple doesn't cater to tinkerers. Leave a highly technical job (like changing out a Hard Drive) to the experts, The Apple Geniuses.

And on top of that, since Apple will charge a BIG markup to replace these drives (plus labor), That means HIGHER Stock Prices!!!! Woooo Hooo AND More profits for APPLE!!!!!!! (I hope they put Elegant Apple stickers on them!)

Microsoft is TOAST!!!!! WOOOO HOOOO.. THANKS STEVE!!! Now, let's make the App store the only method of installing software on our elegant, delicious, magical, and sexy Macs Now!!!!

Wow, you single handedly brought down the average IQ of the entire mac community by 20 points.
 
Funny that this news comes out at the heels of me just replacing the HDD on a first run 24" Aluminum iMac. The thing runs like a dream now and I was considering opting for an i7 iMac over the Mac Pro just out of convenience and price.

Now, I can forget about that. Looks like I am going to be needing an extra $400 just to start looking into the Mac Pro.
 
This is one major reason I went with a Mac Pro - this all in one design is pretty lame for people who (like me, when I was still using PCs) like being able to get inside the machine to do upgrades.

Not to mention that if the screen dies, you're generally out a computer until you can get it fixed, but that's a sub-rant about all in ones...

Lame, Apple - I love the OS, but I really hate the feel-good marketing ("look how thin and magical it is!" - who are you marketing to, eight-year olds?) and as you go on, you simplify everything to the point where you expect sheep to be using these products...

You want me to buy a Mac Pro in order to have a real desktop system, fine, just don't change them in the future like you're changing the iMacs now.
 
I'm still pushing through with my iMac purchase. In 12 months time someone will figure out how resolve this with either a free or inexpensive solution.

By then I hope to be able to swap in a 3TB or larger drive + SSD.
 
Doesn't change anything for me. Wasn't planning on buying an iMac anyway, prefer mobile computing & a MacBook Pro is far more suited to what I want.
 
Sorry, but that didn't "address" my issues whatsoever!

1. I know an awful lot of relatively new Mac owners out there, and absolutely NONE of them made the purchase because it was "shiny". In a few cases going back several years, they were all people working in I.T. in predominantly Windows environments. Like myself, they saw all the struggles with everything from Windows system registry corruption to a constant stream of update patches, even for an OS that was nearly 8 years on the market (Windows XP), for many things that should have been fixed LONG before that. They reached a point where they were really starting to dislike computing, and realized they needed to have something different at home from what they got paid to fight with all day long at work. OS X filled the bill. More recently, I've seen a lot of Mac converts who were simply long-time PC users who never really liked or mastered their computer systems, and they asked their work's I.T. people what they should buy as their next upgrade. They were told about the Mac and its lack of spyware and virus problems, reliability, and long-term value, so they researched it a little more and finally gave one a try. The 15-year olds in the mall you refer to are pretty irrelevant, IMO. Sure, they may own a cheap iPod touch (probably an Xmas gift from their parents half the time) and/or an iPhone -- but I have yet to see one walking around with a Macbook Pro! If anything, I see a lot of college students with one of the plastic 13" Macbooks, because especially on an educational discount, those were pretty affordable a year or two ago.

2. Most people don't resell their WINDOWS computer. That's because as you say, it's somewhat complicated (potential buyers tend to ask a lot of techie type questions that a seller may not be prepared to answer, photos need to be taken and uploaded if you're advertising online, etc. etc.). When the average resale value of that Dell you paid $1200 for 3 years ago is now $75 -- yeah, why bother with it? That's kind of my point though. A Mac still has some actual value, 3 or 4 years after the new purchase. You can't account for lazy people with more money than sense, and yeah -- some of them happen to own Macs. But generally, I bet Mac users DO resell their used machines FAR more often than Windows PC counterparts do.

3. Apple may not profit much, directly, from 2nd. owners of Macs -- but the way you assume that means they don't matter is exactly the type of attitude that will sink today's Apple Computer, if that's really how they're approaching things. A lot of people are right on that line where they can JUST afford to buy a new Mac, but it's a pretty big sacrifice for them. They're not going to just make an impulse buy of one, like they might a $249 netbook at WalMart. A lot of these people are going to "wet their feet" with a used Mac first, after people recommend one to them, before taking the plunge for a brand new one down the road. If that used Mac experience is really disappointing though? Forget it ... Apple loses that customer for good. Secondarily though, don't forget that there's some money to be made selling software to people too. Even if Apple doesn't profit from that used Mac computer sale, they can at least pick up a little profit if the user walks into the local Apple store and buys a copy the latest iLife or iWork suite for it.




I will address all three issues that I see in your statement.


1."One of the big reasons people keep recommending Apple computers to their friends and helping convert people to them from Windows PCs is the history of their systems outlasting the average useful life of a comparable PC." - This has nothing too do with why the majority of the current apple customers buy their products. Most customers are new to apple (last 4-5 years) and buy these products because they are the shiniest, and its the popular product to buy. I want you to go to your local mall, and look around. The average 15 year old girl with too much eye-liner probably has a few ipods, and iphone, and ipad, and a macbook pro (probably a big one so she can beat her friend when comparing them during their free period). She will get new ones of each of these things over her next b-day, xmas, or if she throws a big enough tantrum. This is a gold mine for apple and the demographic that they concentrate on most. It sucks but its true. Housewives are a very close second.

2. "Apple computers generally cost more than a Windows PC counterpart, but that's arguably not a big concern because Macs have better resale value in the long-run." - Most people don't re-sell their computers (complicated , and people are lazy), they just buy new ones.

3."they'll upset all those "2nd. owners" " - These 2nd owners account for an extremely small margin of profit for apple, and thus why would they worry about their opinion when creating a new product. They wouldn't, and don't.

-I am not saying that it is morally right (which doesn't really factor into to any big business decision) but is is fiscally sound.
 
Same Old Same Old.

Apple is notorious for their proprietary act.

Apple allowed the myth of additional power requirements for the MacBook Air SuperDrive to circulate as gospel until tnkgrl figured out how to hack the IDE to USB board.

So Apple in their paranoia now has an integrated controller that can’t be removed on the newer 2010 version of the MacBook Air SuperDrive. :p

Now this harddrive issue just closes another option for those of us who aren't afraid to open up our precious box. At least there were workarounds before this latest change of an altered SATA power connector from a standard 4-pin power configuration to a 7-pin configuration.

The final fail by Apple is the use of Apple proprietary firmware on the hard drive itself.

Thank you Apple for protecting us for changing the product WE OWN! :eek:
 
I for one don't see any benefit of restricting user replacement... it's only to piss off loyal advanced customers while gaining very little benefit for regular non-techy users.
 
This is a very smart business play by Apple. Once your machine is declared EOL by Apple, you'll have no choice but to buy one of the newer models. They will refuse to provide replacement parts once the model is obsoleted. Apple should do the same with RAM solder it to the mainboard as they have done with the MacBook Airs.

It's ultimately good for consumers too as it pushes people to stay relatively up to date with Apple's latest and greatest technology.
 
re: configurable?

This may be getting a little off-topic, but seriously -- how would you expect Apple to offer custom configurations of their machines at 3rd. party retailers like Best Buy anyway?

Nobody else in the industry really does.... If I go to say, Best Buy or even a *computer* retailer like Micro Center and buy a new HP tower, I get a specific configuration in the box. HP may offer several different models of systems that try to cover several config. possibilities, but in the end, I only have a few choices at any one time/any one store.

Now, I *do* think Apple retail stores would be wise to start carrying a few of the more common "high end custom configurations" of machines, to save people from HAVING to mail order one. (EG. With the Macbook Air not having upgradable RAM, I think they should carry a 4GB version in their retail stores as a rule, along with the current two standard configs of the 13" and 11" that all have only 2GB.) But that's really just bickering over the specific configs. Apple chose as good "defaults".



The people on this site are not the average clueless shmoe. Yes, a high percentage of consumers will never know and likely never care.

But this Apple tax is quite obvious to anyone in the computer industry...it's not just MacRumors reporting this info.

So what are the Mac enthusiasts supposed to buy? A $2600 Mac Pro? Not. A Mac Mini with 0 monitor and 0 keyboard and 0 mouse? Nope.

Have you noticed Apple's snide little "Configurable...only on the Apple online Mac Store"?! So a)I can't customize my macs at Amazon or Best Buy or anywhere else and b)I can't even customize them at an Apple brick and mortar store!!!

Apple loves to be in the business of pissing people off. And they wonder why 8% of the world owns a Mac...and has been stuck in this percentage since the '80s.
 
Is this just a troll, or sarcasm, or are you serious?!

This comment was so "out there", I still think it's probably meant to be sarcastic, and maybe partially to see what kind of replies it gets from people here?

If not, all I can say to this is: Consumers *always* have a choice with these things. Apple can't "make you buy a newer model". If my expensive machine died and I found out nobody would supply me with a replacement part I knew it needed to work right again? The LAST thing I'd do is rush out to buy another new product from that same vendor! By the same token, if I found the company had purposely ignored industry standards for making parts easily swappable that are prone to failure or are often desirable to upgrade after an initial sale, I'd want to see a GOOD reason for that decision. (EG. With a Macbook Air, I could probably accept that design requirements dictated soldering on the RAM. The machine wouldn't be so thin if it had to have socketed memory and a standard slot on the bottom to access it.) If I saw that done on a Mac Pro tower though, on the other hand? I'd NEVER buy another like that and would probably ditch the one I had for something that was as expandable as it was supposed to be!

This is a very smart business play by Apple. Once your machine is declared EOL by Apple, you'll have no choice but to buy one of the newer models. They will refuse to provide replacement parts once the model is obsoleted. Apple should do the same with RAM solder it to the mainboard as they have done with the MacBook Airs.

It's ultimately good for consumers too as it pushes people to stay relatively up to date with Apple's latest and greatest technology.
 
If it is what would the benefit to OWC be? They sell hard drives and they're telling us we can't put the hard drives they sell in the 2011 iMac. How would this be advantageous to them?

I don't know, but how do we reconcile the fact that certain users have upgraded their hard drives (i.e. with Caviar Blacks) with no problems?
 
why? who really cares!? the computer will be obsolete before you need a bigger HDD. i've NEVER upgraded a hard drive. If you've outgrown the original HDD, it's time for a new computer anyway! Plus, as the article states, iMacs have never supported user-servicing of HDDs, so this isn't even a story.

I'm sorry, but because you apparently don't use your hard drive no one else will need to either. :rolleyes:

My 2008 MBP came with 5200 RPM 320GB drive. I most certainly needed a 500GB drive (which Apple didn't even offer at the time) and a faster one to maximize the number of tracks I could use in Logic Pro. But according to you, I'd need a newer computer before I needed a bigger hard drive so "who cares?" Talk about the height of a self-centered egotistical world where everyone else has the same needs and desires as yourself or they must be crazy. :rolleyes:

You have to use a mac to understand a mac. I've been the hackintosh route before. Nowadays it is more expensive (shocker!!!) and it sucks big time when you have something to compare it with.

What have you been smoking and where can I get some? ;)

Seriously, if you think it's more expensive to go Hackintosh, I have to wonder what exactly you're comparing. It's not a tit-for-tat kind of proposition, for example. Most people don't need a Mac Pro's protected memory, for example. You can get a machine that is FASTER at MOST tasks than a quad-core Mac Pro and runs circles around it for gaming for less than half the price easy. If you need an 'exact' duplicate, you're missing the point. Apple doesn't make the machines some of us want at all. I don't want an iMac. I want a powerful desktop for a reasonable price. Putting mostly notebook parts inside a monitor (so that when the monitor fails or vice-versa, you're without both while it gets fixed) is not my idea of a desktop. Your mileage may vary.

Oh and this article is a severely flawed. Do yourself a favour and Google the non existing issue.

I don't know why some of you think it's strange that people are reading the main article (which at the point of writing this hasn't been edited on the front page to reflect any new information) and responding to it but not finding 15 pages in that maybe it's not an accurate article. Not everyone has time to read every opinion ever written in some of these monster threads. Instead of people writing in large red letters, why don't you persuade the staff to do a front page edit to reflect the new information? People are simply responding to the news. Getting angry won't help.
 

HOLD YOUR HORSES EVERYBODY!


This is likely not a proprietary connector at all, but a new standard we're not familiar with.

Apple doesn't make hard drives. Therefore, someone must be making hard drives to fit in these machines. Apple doesn't want to rely on a single source, so that means multiple businesses are making these drives.

These people can sell these drives in the aftermarket to mac users.

Further, they aren't going to tool up and design a custom hard drive for Apple.

Apple has learned this lesson already. Apple does not forget lessons- especially painful ones!


This is going to turn out to be a standardized connector and part of the SATA Standard. It might not be the common, popular, backwards with SATA-1 connector... but nobody up and down the supply chain likes one off, specific designs.

The forces for standardization are VERY powerful.

And having read Apple news for the past 3 decades, I know a lot of BS gets out there, and people jump to conclusions only to later be proven wrong, but when it happens, everyone forgets that they were all up in arms about it (But the general "apple wants to screw you over" mantra persists.)

I've never been screwed over by Apple and I've never had to pay too much for any Apple part, device, accessory or product.

Apple is not going to make a one off hardware standard in order to get an extra $30 from the few people who open their iMacs to upgrade the drives.

Let's get real.

I tend to agree. Im looking at a SATA drive now and even has a recess to accommodate additional power pins. Also, in any event - my experience in owning macs for 15 years or more and being a power user my need to upgrade the drive has been pretty limited.
 
I'm sorry, but because you apparently don't use your hard drive no one else will need to either. :rolleyes:

My 2008 MBP came with 5200 RPM 320GB drive. I most certainly needed a 500GB drive (which Apple didn't even offer at the time) and a faster one to maximize the number of tracks I could use in Logic Pro. But according to you, I'd need a newer computer before I needed a bigger hard drive so "who cares?" Talk about the height of a self-centered egotistical world where everyone else has the same needs and desires as yourself or they must be crazy. :rolleyes:

Serious audio and video users should always use a separate drive and not the boot one to record this type of information.

Your comment that "…where everyone else has the same needs and desires as yourself or they must be crazy" applies to you as well.
 
Foul odor from Cupertino

The foul odor from Cupertino continues to spread all across America.

I was waiting+primed for an iMac i7. Too bad. Due to this coupled with a recent epiphany with Linux I will be migrating to a Dell box instead. I would have to run it in VMWare anyway so well... this is the last straw.

I should note that I've had macs since before they were macs. Am an ex-NeXTer. I recommend Linux highly now. It so nice and the difference in "openness" between the platforms now represents a chasm!!

APPLE GETS an F and has lost a customer... perhaps permanently.
To h*ll with Apple. Buy a D*ll! (I am)

Gosh I never tho't I'd say that.
 
they became MS. it gets worst than MS. seriously? Apple kills itself. suicidal. recently they made tons of money, and have too much confidence. they think whatever they do, people just follow? wrong. I bet that Apple will fall again less than 10 years. they recently seem so arrogant.
 
It's impressive that it's been said on every page at least two times that it is not true.

Why has MacRumors not corrected this?
 
Major expense now. While dealing with a warranty replacement for Applecare they hold your credit card for $285.00 for a Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black. I hope this is not really what they are charging. At most that is an 85.00 HDD. Looks bleak but hackers will correct it. I still remember the days when you had to flash a DVD x2 drive to get it to burn in iMovie. Stupid firmwares.
 
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