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Apple should clearly state before installing the software that you won't be able to receive genius bar service. Better hope your lightning connector isn't the first thing to malfunction.

Just let it run dead, they won't be able to boot it up to see what your running and they will have to give you a new one.
 
Yeah, good Idea. Punish the early adopters who sell/tell the world as they brag about their Shiny New Toy (OS).. haha

The BETA releases are for Developers so they can look for bugs and test their own programs on it, that's it. Breaking the NDA left and right is not cool or hip then whine about this doesn't work or putting that all over the Net.

To give people a clue maybe many more Beta updates will be issued be Apple trough the App Store from the beta itself.
 
This seems heavy handed and silly.

What wrong with showing someone a little ios 7. Are they afraid it's so bad that people will run to android? Most people who would be interested in a sneak peek would be fully aware it is beta and will have glitches and may change before the final release.

I think it would bring more traffic to the stores and generate some excitement.

Well, that's another thing where Apple behaves very differently than Microsoft. While Apple plays police state with their beta software, Microsoft gives away Previews to the general public.
 
Wow, they were given the Mavericks beta last summer already? That's a looong beta test for sure… :)
 
Apple should clearly state before installing the software that you won't be able to receive genius bar service. Better hope your lightning connector isn't the first thing to malfunction.

I went into the App Store this weekend with a cracked screen and they replaced my phone even though it had iOS7. Both of the employees asked me how I liked iOS7. I understand them not wanting to fix possible software problems in iOS7, but they will fix hardware issues.
 
Apple should clearly state before installing the software that you won't be able to receive genius bar service. Better hope your lightning connector isn't the first thing to malfunction.

I may be a bit naive here, but why would your lightning connector be the first thing to malfunction on a software update? Isn't that a hardware issue?
 
They're being a bit ridiculous with the servicing part though.

I took my development phone (which was running iOS 7 since it's used soley for development) in because it developed a massive white spot on the screen. When I checked in, they made me physically sit and wait while it restored back to iOS 6 before they'd even see me.

If it's a glitch/could possibly be a software problem, fair enough - but all it did was piss me off - there's no way a white spot can be software.
 
As a former Apple store employee, I perfectly understand Apple's stance here. iOS 7 is for developer testing. It is inappropriate to demo it as a product. It also creates an inconsistent customer experience as any demo would not be widely available. You'd end up running around the store looking for your one employee friend who has it on his phone. Then you find out he is on lunch break and the customer gets pissy that they can't see iOS 7 and will say, "Well then I guess Apple isn't interested in my business." Or "Another employee showed me iOS 7, why can't you?!" You have no idea how pissy customers can be.
 
Apple showing carefully selected images of a software is NOT the same as an active demo.

These rules are not new, nor is the monitoring in all likelihood. MR is just hit whoring with implications that this is something out of the norm.
This was included in the 9to5Mac story:

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Clearly not a new policy.
 
Good thing I saw this I was going to install 7 later this week but I need to get my battery and wifi checked out first.
 
I think, in this case, the best advice Apple could give its employees is to tell customers that iOS 7 was previewed during WWDC and if they want more information to check the Apple website.
 
Apple should clearly state before installing the software that you won't be able to receive genius bar service. Better hope your lightning connector isn't the first thing to malfunction.

Yeah that's a little nonsensical, I mean software issues sure, but if my home button falls of of my iPhone 5 and I have iOS 7 on it, they'd better fix it.
 
Are you serious?

This stuff wasn't even funny on June 10.

Aw, someone is offended they like childish designs.

Yes, I am serious. Bad design is bad design. Whether its June 10th, July 1st, or October 32nd. So far, 9/9 people I've showed iOS 7 off to (and countless people on Apple's own forums) have the same impression:

"Seems kid-ish, like its meant for a child."

But by all means, continue praising Apple's iOS 7 and all duh pretty colors:rolleyes:
 
It can't be that big of a deal to show a customer a preview of things to come.

It has to do a lot with sales, when someone is in the store interested in buying an iPhone now, showing them a preview of things to come might prompt them to hold off from buying, especially when the 'future' is still a good three months in the future.
 
I don't get it, so an employee: the biggest apple fans ever aren't allowed to get hold of ios7?

Surely they should be the first.

Ok I agree don't show customers ios7 yet but for gods sake, prepare them and let them help people even if they have got ios7 and aren't developers.

The whole apple ethos is privacy but this seems like they're missing the point since they've cocked up so much with software they need more help from these kind of people.
 
Aw, someone is offended they like childish designs.

Yes, I am serious. Bad design is bad design. Whether its June 10th, July 1st, or October 32nd. So far, 9/9 people I've showed iOS 7 off to (and countless people on Apple's own forums) have the same impression:

"Seems kid-ish, like its meant for a child."

But by all means, continue praising Apple's iOS 7 and all duh pretty colors:rolleyes:

More opinions.

You think it's childish, the people you showed iOS 7 to think it's childish. You think iOS 7 is badly designed.

Everybody that I have showed iOS 7 to has liked it. And guess what? My anecdote means exactly as much as your anecdote- nothing. We just have to wait and see what happens in the fall, but neither you or I can predict how iOS 7 will be received by the public when they actually get it onto their own devices.

You don't have to like the design of iOS 7, but you should understand that your opinion is not fact.
 
More opinions.

You think it's childish, the people you showed iOS 7 to think it's childish. You think iOS 7 is badly designed.

Everybody that I have showed iOS 7 to has liked it. And guess what? My anecdote means exactly as much as your anecdote- nothing. We just have to wait and see what happens in the fall, but neither you or I can predict how iOS 7 will be received by the public when they actually get it onto their own devices.

You don't have to like the design of iOS 7, but you should understand that your opinion is not fact.


Its probably news to you, but there is such a thing as objectively bad design, and iOS 7 is reflective of such. Just because something is popular does not mean its quality.

If Ive redesigned the Coke cans, they'd look like this:

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And you'd probably still praise it.
 
Yeah that's a little nonsensical, I mean software issues sure, but if my home button falls of of my iPhone 5 and I have iOS 7 on it, they'd better fix it.

Just expect it to get wiped back to iOS 6 before they start.

Really that's like any other computing device. You send your Dell laptop in for service, they are probably going to wipe it and install the factory image it shipped with, because they don't technically support that upgrade to win8 you just did. Even when it's way out of date, like Vista... That's like standard MO for years.
 
I hope Apple stop showing us their unfinished product so we users have to wait 3+ months in order to get them.
You go an Apple Store, launch a Safari and see iOS7, ask where is this iOS7 and they told you that you have have to wait.
 
Its probably news to you, but there is such a thing as objectively bad design, and iOS 7 is reflective of such. Just because something is popular does not mean its quality.

If Ive redesigned the Coke cans, they'd look like this:

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And you'd probably still praise it.

This is not the thread to go off on a rant about how bad ios7 design is. The article has nothing to do with that. Go explore the million threads on that topic and get into arguments there.
 
Its probably news to you, but there is such a thing as objectively bad design, and iOS 7 is reflective of such. Just because something is popular does not mean its quality.

If Ive redesigned the Coke cans, they'd look like this:

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And you'd probably still praise it.

First of all, you're comparing a mock-up of a Coke can with an entire operating system. I might be wrong, but a Coke can serves a different purpose than an operating system. A Coke can (being a physical object) is more like hardware, and Ive has been designing hardware for far longer than he has been designing software. So if you really think Ive would design a Coke can like that, why hasn't he designed an iPhone or iPad that looks like that? I can't believe you took a picture from a parody website and tried to present it as part of a serious post.

Second, an operating system like iOS 7 has many different facets with many different color schemes. The can you presented is a single object with one color gradient. A color gradient that is absolutely terrible for any sort of physical object. The closest thing I could find in iOS 7 that matches the color scheme of that Coke can is the iTunes Store app. And it is one solitary icon out of dozens of them. A small percentage of the design of the OS.

Regarding this "objectively bad design" thing... I'm sorry, but design is never objective. I reserve the right to like and dislike what I want to like and dislike regardless of what other people say. For example, people have been cheering Game Center's new look, but I think the new design is pretty crappy. I can dislike that while still liking other parts of iOS 7. And you can dislike all of iOS 7! But don't try to tell me that my opinion is wrong because someone somewhere decided that something should be a certain way.
 
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