Never said it was illegal, I was just spouting (or blathering, wailing, whining, pick your smear) that your arguments weren't very convincing. Your first point is simply descriptive: 'well, some employees steal, so there's a good reason for bag checks'. This doesn't defend unpaid time for bag checks (legally or ethically) and the existence of bag checks isn't what's being disputed here.
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Apple Retail Employees File Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Bag Check' Lost Wages
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Never said it was illegal, I was just spouting (or blathering, wailing, whining, pick your smear) that your arguments weren't very convincing. Your first point is simply descriptive: 'well, some employees steal, so there's a good reason for bag checks'. This doesn't defend unpaid time for bag checks (legally or ethically) and the existence of bag checks isn't what's being disputed here.
Completely different scenario. not only do u not have to bring a car to work but they also are not obligated to provide you with parking space. In the Apple scenario, the employer is making the decision to search bags. That's their problem not the employees', so this needs to be done on their time not the employees'.
yes but that's a whole another story. Salaried "exempt" generally means you have to be in management to be considered exempt from overtime (of course doesn't apply to all professions). Several companies have been sued by having their employees exempt from overtime when their position doesn't qualify for it.
i agree with a lot in this statement except for apple's right to search your bag. i don't see why they shouldn't
I take it you folks don't work in a big city. When I went back to college to finish undergrad and grad, I went after work. So I had to bring my backpack to my office to go straight to school. While I wasn't working retail, I'd imagine some of these folks are students and may need to go to school before or after there shift, therefore they do need to bring a backpack with books, supplies, etc.
what???? they also are not required to bring a bag to work... what are you trying to say???
Also, it's not my decision to go through a security gate... it's the only way into the building. The employer forces us to go through it to get to the office... so you tell me how this is any different than having to wait for a bag search...?
so it's apple's fault you have a second life, they should pay you for your convenience.
Here this isn't widespread, I've known someone who has worked in a clothes/furniture/jewellery shop and an electronic/gaming store and they don't get searched.
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Another reason not to live in that country. You Americans have no idea what the rest of the world thinks about you, do you?
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Another reason not to live in that country. You Americans have no idea what the rest of the world thinks about you, do you?
there are both salary and hourly employees that work here, and EVERYONE has to go through the same security gate to get to the office building.
Yeah, I can't believe that they do this in the first place. I wouldn't want to work at a place that treats their employees like that. I can see some random checks, but checking bags as a routine is just NUTS. Talk about a way to degrade your employees and put them all down as potential thieves.
Or an Engineer or something like that. I'm salaried exempt, but I have paid OT too, but it doesn't meet the labor law OT...
My position is legit for being salaried exempt, but there are a lot of real stretches like when retail stores promote people to "manager" positions that aren't really manager positions, and then give them a horrendous salary and make them work absurd hours.
If they could prove that it really took 10-15 minutes every time then they might have a case, but I am guessing most times it probably took only a few seconds or at worse a minute or two. Who would have even kept track of the lost minutes? It sounds like someone just wants some of Apple's cash.
So you believe that a company should pay its employees to keep them from stealing their products? Ok, but that seems like a bigger burden on the employer when the employees could just not bring bags in. Maybe Apple should just ban bags altogether.
When I consulted for Boeing, I wasn't allowed to bring a cell phone that had a camera in it (yes, there was a day when phones didn't all have cameras
and I never thought to complain about it. Was it an inconvenience? Yes, but they had a compelling reason to justify the practice, which is what my fist point was all about.
To all those criticizing the employees and talking about it being ONLY 5-15 minutes. Guess what - do some math
Multiply that by 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
On the low end it's 21.66 hours. On the high end, it's ~65 hours.
I don't know about you - but if I was working hourly - I wouldn't want to "give" away 22-65 hours of my time for free.
Conversely - multiply that among amongst the staff that works for Apple and you'll see Apple is seemingly "liable" (notice I put that in quotes) for millions of dollars that they've not paid out.
Dare I make the fictional analogy to Superman III where Richard Pryor's character "only" cheats the company a percentage of a penny on each paycheck and how much he collect.
Personally, I think there should be a "reasonable" happy medium. While I wouldn't want to give 21.66 hours away a year - I do think that as a general rule of thumb - "costing" 5 minutes of a delay for a search is at least reasonable to me.
Those saying "Well they don't HAVE to bring anything to work" are out of touch. On any given day they might be students and go to class before or after. They might have two part time jobs. They might bring lunch and an umbrella in a bag. They might have a purse. Etc.
I understand why Apple would not want to pay for this time. But I don't agree with the practice.
Multiply that by 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
On the low end it's 21.66 hours. On the high end, it's ~65 hours.
I don't know about you - but if I was working hourly - I wouldn't want to "give" away 22-65 hours of my time for free.
Conversely - multiply that among amongst the staff that works for Apple and you'll see Apple is seemingly "liable" (notice I put that in quotes) for millions of dollars that they've not paid out.
Dare I make the fictional analogy to Superman III where Richard Pryor's character "only" cheats the company a percentage of a penny on each paycheck and how much he collect.
Personally, I think there should be a "reasonable" happy medium. While I wouldn't want to give 21.66 hours away a year - I do think that as a general rule of thumb - "costing" 5 minutes of a delay for a search is at least reasonable to me.
Those saying "Well they don't HAVE to bring anything to work" are out of touch. On any given day they might be students and go to class before or after. They might have two part time jobs. They might bring lunch and an umbrella in a bag. They might have a purse. Etc.
I understand why Apple would not want to pay for this time. But I don't agree with the practice.
Yep. Pretty much this. Really simple. Don't bring a bag or purse if you don't want to wait. Bring what you need for your shift and that's it. Things like medication can fit in your pocket. Time of the month, in your pocket also or coat pocket.
Uh, no it's not. Your example makes no sense. Unless Apple purposely creates the traffic jam.
I like the whine about the customers not being subjected to this. Really? Which customers have access to the stock room - full of easily pilfered and concealed inventory?
What you describe is entering a place of work. What is being complained about here is USING A TIME CLOCK, and being required to perform some action "off the clock" when there is often a VERY small amount of time to perform such tasks as eating lunch.
It's not complaining about the commute because you work for a company that is 20 miles from your house. It's impeding the limited time allotted for lunch/break.
So now you assume they all drive to work.. no going green for you, eh? or bringing a lunch either..
dufflebag? really?
This won't be popular but here's two quick reasons why they (the plaintiff) should be laughed out of court.
a) If you don't like your job that much because you feel you are being taken advantage of, then quit your whining and go find another job. You're not a slave to your employer.. same reason why I hate unions today, to protect lazy workers.
b) Don't like bag checks, then don't bring a bag.
Don't be such a whining snot nose brat who's living up to the stereotypical entitlement generation.
a) If you don't like your job that much because you feel you are being taken advantage of, then quit your whining and go find another job. You're not a slave to your employer.. same reason why I hate unions today, to protect lazy workers.
b) Don't like bag checks, then don't bring a bag.
Don't be such a whining snot nose brat who's living up to the stereotypical entitlement generation.
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