Nor does spouting your opinion of it being illegal. As many have posted, this is common practice and well established as legal.
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Apple Retail Employees File Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Bag Check' Lost Wages
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Nor does spouting your opinion of it being illegal. As many have posted, this is common practice and well established as legal.
??? I don't think you understood the article... thanks but it surely is about people complaining about the bag check, and the amount of time it takes that they are not being compensated for.
My point still stands, this is a pathetic waste of time for some low lifes to try and get some extra money out of their previous employer because they wanted to complain about having their bags being searched but weren't smart enough to leave the bag at home or in the car....
This seems pretty ridiculous. You have to be able to assert yourself a little more in a situation like that. You just tell him/her that you need to go right now so check my damn bag please. No one should be that afraid of their manager.
You need to talk to your union rep. If you aren't in a union, either join one or stand up to your boss and tell them that you need to be paid for the hours you work. It is not legal for them to require you to work without paying you.
Just because it's "common practice" it's okay. However, i mean as with every class action, the details of this case are probably in the puddin'. apple will most likely just pay them to shut up, and that's the point. these people saw an easy win
I agree with the Apple Employees and think Apple should have paid these kids the 15 minutes of loafing around while waiting for their bags to be checked. Only downside is that the lawyers are going to make a killing too.
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As far as complaints about retail are concerned, please stop whining. Every job has its tedious annoying aspects, and if you're lucky, they're outweighed by some very rewarding ones too.
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As far as the kid complaining about losing 2.xx/hour everyday. If $2 will make your or break you, then you have very serious economic problems that an extra 15 minutes of pay won't solve.
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Here are a few more reasons I could come up with that Apple Retail Employees should look into for future lawsuits:
- Unpaid Time wasted washing Apple t-Shirt
- Unpaid Time wasted driving to work
- Unpaid Time wasted waiting for Public Transport on way to work
- Unpaid Time wasted thinking about having to show up to work
- Unpaid Time wasted setting alarm to wake up on time to go to work
- Unpaid Time wasted having to get haircut, showering, brush teeth, etc... in order to be presentable at work
- Unpaid Time wasted purchasing all toiletries, soaps, etc... and compensation for all incurred costs
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That is all.
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As far as complaints about retail are concerned, please stop whining. Every job has its tedious annoying aspects, and if you're lucky, they're outweighed by some very rewarding ones too.
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As far as the kid complaining about losing 2.xx/hour everyday. If $2 will make your or break you, then you have very serious economic problems that an extra 15 minutes of pay won't solve.
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Here are a few more reasons I could come up with that Apple Retail Employees should look into for future lawsuits:
- Unpaid Time wasted washing Apple t-Shirt
- Unpaid Time wasted driving to work
- Unpaid Time wasted waiting for Public Transport on way to work
- Unpaid Time wasted thinking about having to show up to work
- Unpaid Time wasted setting alarm to wake up on time to go to work
- Unpaid Time wasted having to get haircut, showering, brush teeth, etc... in order to be presentable at work
- Unpaid Time wasted purchasing all toiletries, soaps, etc... and compensation for all incurred costs
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That is all.
Likely Outcome...
The Lawyers collect millions, Apple staff members under 1 year get a coupon for a lightning cable. Over 1 year get a coupon for an Apple 4S phone. Which requires a 2 year contract to use, otherwise the phone will be donated to a Phones For The World recycling program in the employees name. All tax deductions remain the property of Apple.
The Lawyers collect millions, Apple staff members under 1 year get a coupon for a lightning cable. Over 1 year get a coupon for an Apple 4S phone. Which requires a 2 year contract to use, otherwise the phone will be donated to a Phones For The World recycling program in the employees name. All tax deductions remain the property of Apple.
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Yes so do the computers at my company, which is why their timeclocking system adds 10 minutes of pay to the beginning of each shift.
There have been reports of call centers where this is exactly happening. Required to be there early so when your shift starts at "9:00 AM" you're immediately ready to answer the phones.
It's all about personal responsibility...
The store managers are personally responsible that their workers are paid for the time they are at work.
i think people are aruging that they aren't at work. bag check is a necessary evil like "riding a bus to work." Surely you can say "well i have to ride a bus to work, shouldn't i be compensated?" Then someone will come along and say "You don't HAAAVE to live so far from where you work"
I don't get paid for the time I sit waiting to get through the security gate so that I can park my car and get into my office building in the morning....
This is normal
Surely this is normal in retail businesses. It is normally part of the contract and you usually can't refuse to be searched.
Surely this is normal in retail businesses. It is normally part of the contract and you usually can't refuse to be searched.
Back when I was in high school and worked for Sears they wouldn't let you leave the employee exit until everything was checked. There was a kiosk that was next to the exit that could be used for clocking in and out. I would sit there and wait to clock out until it was my turn to leave. No way in hell was I going to be forced to stay in that store and not be paid for it.
Apple Retail Employees
I am surprised a company as large and sophisticated as Apple let this happen. Someone in corporate H.R. will take a hard fail. There is simply no excuse not to pay employees for the extra time.
I am surprised a company as large and sophisticated as Apple let this happen. Someone in corporate H.R. will take a hard fail. There is simply no excuse not to pay employees for the extra time.
And this, dear people, is why you hire a lawyer when you go to court, rather than asking the internet what it thinks...
There have been multiple cases like this over the past few years, and they've pretty much all won. For example:
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/09/nurses-file-lawsuit-over-time-to-dress-for-work/
with results for the nurses:
http://co.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20120614_0003952.DCO.htm/qx
Yeah, yeah, you can say this case is different for the usual reason that things are different. It involves bags not clothes. It involves retail not medical. Blah blah. The pattern across these cases is basically the same -- if the EMPLOYER forces the EMPLOYEE to do something which the EMPLOYER considers essential to the job, that time gets credited to wages.
Judge: So you feel like you were cheated. How much money would you estimate you lost due to this policy?
Plaintiff: I estimate at least 5 hours over the course of my several years working for Apple. At my pay rate, that amounts to $75.
Judge: I see. How much are you suing for?
Plaintiff: $42 Million
Plaintiff: I estimate at least 5 hours over the course of my several years working for Apple. At my pay rate, that amounts to $75.
Judge: I see. How much are you suing for?
Plaintiff: $42 Million
Interesting discussion though the first thing that would pop into my mind would be why there are bag checks in the first place. I know many countries where this would be considered illegal. I find it strange that your employer has the right to search you. But then again, in the US more power is given to the companies than to the labour force. Going forward, the right thing to do here would be to change that policy, give Apple a chance to moderately compensate their employees and drop the lawsuit. Too often are these class action lawsuits seen as an opportunity to make a huge pile of money while the focus should be on setting something right. There is no justification for any plaintiff to win such a lawsuit and make millions out of it.
it's VERY common for salary employees to work well over 40 hours in a week, and they are not compensated for any time "over" a typical 9-5
Are you on salary or on hourly wages? The "problem" you describe above suggests that you are on salary, which is a very different set of laws.
Apple doesn't require you to use any specific mode of transport, nor do they require you to live far away. What they do require is that you stay in the store on your own time, which is against labor law. If they aren't paying someone they are free to go as they please. Bag or not. Simple solution is to check the persons bag before they punch out. Maybe right at the time clock?...
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