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Apple Retail Employees File Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Bag Check' Lost Wages

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Dr McKay said:
When I worked retail, you punched out and then left, even if you were the last ones around. Our Manager and Supervisors insisted you didn't punch out until you were literally leaving the building. Once we finished, we never waited for the manager to finish up and leave, we'd just leave for the fire door. Occasionally if we did hang around and wait for him we didn't punch out until he came out of his office turning the lights off.
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Well, I know in my store the timeclock was on the opposite end of the building from where we would leave. And I think there was a policy where at least one person had to stay with the manager at all times (and open with the manager in the morning).

I don't know. It never seemed to bother any of us.
 
Dr McKay said:
When I worked retail, you punched out and then left, even if you were the last ones around. Our Manager and Supervisors insisted you didn't punch out until you were literally leaving the building. Once we finished, we never waited for the manager to finish up and leave, we'd just leave for the fire door. Occasionally if we did hang around and wait for him we didn't punch out until he came out of his office turning the lights off.



Those "comparison" are not even appropriate. Companies should not be making you submit to work related procedures during your own time. It means that you aren't able to get your legally required breaks, you should be clocking out AFTER you are searched.
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it's not a work related procedure. it's a personal preference. Unless a bag is required for your job, it isn't work-related.
 
FrozenDarkness said:
it' snot hard to understand. you bring a bag you get checked. i bring a bag to the airport, i get checked. i bring my bag to a ballgame, i get checked. i bring my bag to a retail store job, i get checked.

this reminds me, i was late to a ballgame by 10 minutes because of security check. i came like a minute before the game and realized there was a line and was in the game 10 minutes later. i should get a refund right?
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Ballgames, Being a customer at a store, Airports - they aren't YOUR workplace nor are they subject to laws regarding minimum wage/etc

Stop being obtuse and/or using completely illogical analogies.
 
FrozenDarkness said:
it's not a work related procedure. it's a personal preference. Unless a bag is required for your job, it isn't work-related.
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Irrelevant. Companies cannot make you do these things on your break, it is your time. Not theirs. They're welcome to make you submit to searches, but they need to be done on Company time, not yours.
 
Treq said:
The only sticking point is how much back pay should be payed.
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That's what I am trying to say. Everyone should be cut the same check even if some people only had a minute or two delay leaving most times? Where is the proof that Apple actually owes an exact amount of time to these former employees? I bet none of them (well maybe a few) ever documented time lost. If they didn't document it and just say... "Well it was about this... or about that" then they should not just be getting a check from Apple for lost wages.
 
DakotaGuy said:
That's what I am trying to say. Everyone should be cut the same check even if some people only had a minute or two delay leaving most times? Where is the proof that Apple actually owes an exact amount of time to these former employees? I bet none of them (well maybe a few) ever documented time lost. If they didn't document it and just say... "Well it was about this... or about that" then they should not just be getting a check from Apple for lost wages.
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They will just caculate an average and pay everyone that.
 
All those who claim no-one *has* to bring bags to work should maybe think beyond their own narrow experiences. There's plenty of folks who require a bag to carry medical items with them. Diabetes sufferers, severe asthma sufferers, those with severe allergies. Those who require medication. Sometimes people have to eat regularly to avoid health issues.

I have to carry epi-pens with me at all times, as well as a selection of foods to counter reactive hypoglycaemia, and various medications to combat the crippling migraines that often come with it. But it's nice to know you think I should leave that at home or in my car just so I wouldn't have to inconvenience a massive corporation.
 
Terrified said:
All those who claim no-one *has* to bring bags to work should maybe think beyond their own narrow experiences. There's plenty of folks who require a bag to carry medical items with them. Diabetes sufferers, severe asthma sufferers, those with severe allergies. Those who require medication. Sometimes people have to eat regularly to avoid health issues.

I have to carry epi-pens with me at all times, as well as a selection of foods to counter reactive hypoglycaemia, and various medications to combat the crippling migraines that often come with it. But it's nice to know you think I should leave that at home or in my car just so I wouldn't have to inconvenience a massive corporation.
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Well obviously they shouldn't work for Apple. That's what many are saying, right? :rolleyes:

I brought this up a few posts back.
 
Nungster said:
Other retail employers have had Loss Prevention issues. Some have gone to the point of only allowing employees to use clear zippered bags.

The other option is to not bring bags into work.

I think they have a case if the employee handbook doesn't state the policy. If it does, they chose to work there, and knew what they were being subject to.
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one way to have less theft is to pay higher wages. employees are happier and you attract a higher class of people
 
Treq said:
Then they can leave without being searched. If they have to wait, they should be on the clock. Just punch out after the search is done. Simple.
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Why should Apple have to pay to check your bag when YOU are the one who decided to bring it? What if EVERYBODY brings their bags?

You guys just don't get it, you're the ones that are being obtuse. a BAG is YOURS it's your PERSONAL preference. Apple doesn't care if you bring it or not, they just have a RULE to check it before you leave. Why should APPLE pay you to do this? Can Apple pay me to ride the bus to work? Can Apple pay me to park my car? Of course not that woudl be RIDICULOUS because I CHOSE to do these things.


If it's work related because it takes place at work, then apple should just move the bag check outside of work. Or just ban bags inside the office in general. this is ridiculous.
 
why bring a bag to the job anyway? What could you possibly need? Lol. I see if you need like meds and possibly a snack but you don't need to bring your personal electronics besides your cell phone
 
Terrified said:
All those who claim no-one *has* to bring bags to work should maybe think beyond their own narrow experiences. There's plenty of folks who require a bag to carry medical items with them. Diabetes sufferers, severe asthma sufferers, those with severe allergies. Those who require medication. Sometimes people have to eat regularly to avoid health issues.

I have to carry epi-pens with me at all times, as well as a selection of foods to counter reactive hypoglycaemia, and various medications to combat the crippling migraines that often come with it. But it's nice to know you think I should leave that at home or in my car just so I wouldn't have to inconvenience a massive corporation.
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No one things you should be disallowed from carrying a bag to work. People just think it's ridiculous you think Apple should pay you for their loss prevention program, which you should've knew about before joining
 
FrozenDarkness said:
Why should Apple have to pay to check your bag when YOU are the one who decided to bring it? What if EVERYBODY brings their bags?

You guys just don't get it, you're the ones that are being obtuse. a BAG is YOURS it's your PERSONAL preference. Apple doesn't care if you bring it or not, they just have a RULE to check it before you leave. Why should APPLE pay you to do this? Can Apple pay me to ride the bus to work? Can Apple pay me to park my car? Of course not that woudl be RIDICULOUS because I CHOSE to do these things.


If it's work related because it takes place at work, then apple should just move the bag check outside of work. Or just ban bags inside the office in general. this is ridiculous.
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Going by your "choose" argument. Apple CHOSE to check bags. They don't have to either. So since they are, let them do it at their time, not the employees'.
 
FrozenDarkness said:
No one things you should be disallowed from carrying a bag to work. People just think it's ridiculous you think Apple should pay you for their loss prevention program, which you should've knew about before joining
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Apart from the many people in this thread saying that employees simply shouldn't bring a bag to work if they're bothered by this?
 
I can think of lots of reasons why people have to carry bags. I am just saying I doubt apple wants to pay to check bags. And the is the thing people don't see. They are not going to pay this in the end. Even if Apple loses. They will recover the cost in another way. Employee discounts are decreased. Every employee going forward will get hired at a lower wage, employees wait longer for that next raise. Next raise isn't as high as it would be if they didn't have to pay for the bag searches. One less employee at each store. I love how people see cause without an affect. They just think Apple should pay and maybe they should. Doesn't matter. What matters is Apple doesn't want to pay and they most likely won't.
 
FrozenDarkness said:
Why should Apple have to pay to check your bag when YOU are the one who decided to bring it? What if EVERYBODY brings their bags?

You guys just don't get it, you're the ones that are being obtuse. a BAG is YOURS it's your PERSONAL preference. Apple doesn't care if you bring it or not, they just have a RULE to check it before you leave. Why should APPLE pay you to do this? Can Apple pay me to ride the bus to work? Can Apple pay me to park my car? Of course not that woudl be RIDICULOUS because I CHOSE to do these things.


If it's work related because it takes place at work, then apple should just move the bag check outside of work. Or just ban bags inside the office in general. this is ridiculous.
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Let me ask you this (and I honestly don't know Apple's policy)

Can they take bathroom breaks without clocking in and out?

Your riding the bus, car, etc - all not relevant. Not even in the same ballpark.

I am not saying Apple should have to pay for a quick check of a bag. But if you really think up to 15 minutes a shift is acceptable - then that's that. I don't agree. And I think if it was YOU who worked retail you'd think differently.
 
FrozenDarkness said:
No one things you should be disallowed from carrying a bag to work. People just think it's ridiculous you think Apple should pay you for their loss prevention program, which you should've knew about before joining
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No, no-one is saying you can't take a bag to work, but what your saying is if you have to its your fault and you should have your time wasted to wait for something apple wants to impose.

Brilliant thinking.
 
ritmomundo said:
Uh, no it's not. Your example makes no sense. Unless Apple purposely creates the traffic jam.
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Sure, my example makes much more sense than the one I was responding to. Attending a safety meeting is "work" by any definition. Getting checked on the way out of work isn't "work" at all.
 
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