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Well i've had a good look at the replies and a good giggle at most of them. Thanks for your input guys
you can get back to me when you have something to backup your mindless, unfounded ramblings. I
wasn't expecting to get a great reception from my anti iPhone post on one of the worlds biggest
Apple fanboy's websites but thanks anyway for your input. My points remain valid.

Wizard i think gets where i'm coming from and is the only one worthy of a response as his post made
sense and had method to his responses.

First of all don't get me wrong. I don't have an issue with Apple per se. I have owned hundreds of
products they designed. At the moment i have and iPhone 4 32GB white, which is performing better
than any of the 4 of my black ones i had before. An old second gen Nano the latest gen iPod Classic
160GB A Macbook Pro and a 24" iMac. They're all great I only have an issue with the iPhone 4.

Maybe i should be more specific. In relation to the iPhone 4. I think it is a flawed product because i
know even though i had four black ones and one white one i didn't get one that i could hold a
conversation on until my fifth one. Its the first product i've had from Apple that i haven't
been completely satisfied with. I have no doubt that the iPhone 4 would have been the best phone
on the planet had Apple gotten the 'phone' part of it right! If you were lucky enough to get one that
works perfectly then i can gather you are very lucky and must be happy with your
phone. I get that, but i wasn't so lucky and i can only come to the conclusion that if i had 4 bad
ones before i got a good one. That the black model is flawed and i only got lucky with a white
one because it was manufactured much later.

Your right Wizard I only worked for Apple briefly and it wasn't in the R&D department. I never
built a phone from the ground up your right. But i do know that if i was in the business of making
phones and technology from the ground up for the last 20 years it wouldn't take me a year to put
a new camera and a faster processer in it to make a 3G a 3GS. And was simply suggesting that
if they do that again with the iPhone 4 that i'll be very disappointed and wont be purchasing that
particular model.

Let me assure you i had an iPhone 2G for almost two years. Back when you had to type code in
line by line to unlock it and even then it was hit and miss. Emotional need for a new product is
not something i crave. I'd settle for an iPhone i can make a call on for more than 10 minutes
without seeing the words 'call failed'. I also have no issue with the iOS. Its one of the most
advanced in the world (in parts) The issue i was referring to was the hardware issue with the
iPhone.

Again you don't seem to comprehend the financial issues that most of the other hand
set makers are suffering from. In any event you clearly highlight your mental issues with things
that are new. Most people prefer that that works well, thus an explosion in iPhone sales.
Apples numbers speak for themselves, people want value for their money.

I can comprehend why Nokia's devices are now so cheap. Financial crisis will force you to
reduce your profit margins to pay the bills. The only reason for an explosion of iPhone sales
is due to massive subsidies being offered by networks. Apple have done a fantastic job
getting into markets all over the world and outselling other manufactures in a few short
years but make no mistake about it. They are not doing any favors for us with the initial
price point of €500 to €700. That will need to come down to capture the rest of the market
and those who cant afford the bills even with the subsidy.

Bye bye! Seriously Apple doesnt need customers that are so disconnected from
reality. Disconnected you are because you have missed just how strongly Apples products
have been accepted in the market. Further you have missed the sharp decline of Nokia and
other handset manufactures. The reality is few have a need for a new phone every couple
of months. With smart phones the desire is actually the opposite as they become integrated
into people's lives more and more.

I beg to differ. I drop a few thousand euros with Apple every year. And recommend products
to many colleagues, friends and family who all generally have a product or two. I'm a fanboy
too. And if they loose me they loose more than just me guaranteed. Fine it might not hurt
them much financially but if more are getting a bit cheesed off just like me it could be to
their own detriment. And i don't miss a beat I've seen the sharp decline in other manufacturers
but the fact remains i can buy a nokia and put a 64GB memory card in it. Maybe Apple should
start offering us their phones in a similar way that they offer us the macbook pro. If we
choose we can upgrade to 64GB or 128GB and pay the extra. Let us choose from 10 colors.
And decide what accessories we would like. Instead of just removing one piece of the kit each
time until we have nothing left while thinking that we haven't noticed!

iPhone 2G: iPhone, headphones, Charger, USB, dock, Cleaning Cloth, Sim opening tool,
instruction manual.

Look in your iPhone 4 box and guess which part is going next. USB Cable or Charger?!
 
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Well i've had a good look at the replies and a good giggle at most of them. Thanks for your input guys you can get back to me when
you have something to backup your mindless, unfounded ramblings. I wasn't expecting to get a great reception from my anti iPhone
post on one of the worlds biggest Apple fanboy's websites but thanks anyway for your input. My points remain valid.

Wizard i think gets where i'm coming from and is the only one worthy of a response as his post made sense and had method to his responses.

First of all don't get me wrong. I don't have an issue with Apple per se. I have owned hundreds of products they designed. At the moment i have
and iPhone 4 32GB white, which is performing better than any of the 4 of my black ones i had before. An old second gen Nano. A Macbook Pro
and a 24" iMac. They're all great I only have an issue with the iPhone 4.

Maybe i should be more specific. In relation to the iPhone 4. I think it is a flawed product because i know even though i had four black ones
and one white one i didn't get one that i could hold a conversation on until my fifth one. Its the first product i've had from Apple that i haven't
been completely satisfied with. I have no doubt that the iPhone 4 would have been the best phone on the planet had Apple gotten the 'phone'
part of it right! If you were lucky enough to get one that works perfectly then i can gather you are very lucky and must be happy with your
phone. I get that, but i wasn't so lucky and i can only come to the conclusion that if i had 4 bad ones before i got a good one. That the black
model is flawed and i only got lucky with a white one because it was manufactured much later.

Your right Wizard I only worked for Apple briefly and it wasn't in the R&D department. I never built a phone from the ground up your right.
But i do know that if i was in the business of making phones and technology from the ground up for the last 20 years it wouldn't take me
a year to put a new camera and a faster processer in it to make a 3G a 3GS. And was simply suggesting that if they do that again with the
iPhone 4 that i'll be very disappointed and wont be purchasing that particular model.

Let me assure you i had an iPhone 2G for almost two years. Back when you had to type code in line by line to unlock it and even then it
was hit and miss. Emotional need for a new product is not something i crave. I'd settle for an iPhone i can make a call on for more than
10 minutes without seeing the words 'call failed'. I also have no issue with the iOS. Its one of the most advanced in the world (in parts)
The issue i was referring to was the hardware issue with the iPhone.



I can comprehend why Nokia's devices are now so cheap. Financial crisis will force you to reduce your profit margins to pay the bills.
The only reason for an explosion of iPhone sales is due to massive subsidies being offered by networks. Apple have done a fantastic job
getting into markets all over the world and outselling other manufactures in a few short years but make no mistake about it. They are not
doing any favors for us with the initial price point of €500 to €700. That will need to come down to capture the rest of the market and
those who cant afford the bills even with the subsidy.



I beg to differ. I drop a few thousand euros with Apple every year. And recommend products to many colleagues, friends and family
who all generally have a product or two. I'm a fanboy too. And if they loose me they loose more than just me guaranteed. Fine it
might not hurt them much financially but if more are getting a bit cheesed off just like me it could be to their own detriment.
And i don't miss a beat I've seen the sharp decline in other manufacturers but the fact remains i can buy a nokia and put a 64GB
memory card in it. Maybe Apple should start offering us their phones in a similar way that they offer us the macbook pro. If we
choose we can upgrade to 64GB or 128GB and pay the extra. Let us choose from 10 colors. And decide what accessories we would
like. Instead of just removing one piece of the kit each time until we have nothing left!

Why are your lines all messed up?
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Anyway who cares. You have issues and getting into it with you is pointless.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Have you been drinking maybe ?

Anyway Cheers and goodnight bud.
 
Interview

The real disgrace is the sycophantic circus Apple calls and interview. I am a highly qualified computer technician and was told I was not good enough. A day later they reposted the jobs for the new store after "interviewing" 300 people.
****s.
 
iPad2S?

I was looking at iPad's and whilst Apple quotes 3-5 days availability across the range (as opposed to Ships within 24 hours for the Mac mini and Macbook immediately before replacement recently) most of the carriers (Orange, T-Mobile, O2, etc) note short supply and will currently only supply them to existing customers either directly or via resellers (Carphonewarehouse, etc).

And John Lewis, that bellwether of the British economy has none at all.

So, new iPads then?

Jules
 
iOS 5 is due in the Fall.

Fall does NOT begin until September 23rd.

As much as I'd love to believe that iPhone 5 is coming in August, or the first week of September, its not, because it will ship with iOS 5, and iOS 5 will not be available to the public this summer...it will not be until fall.....which means after September 23rd.

Know it, as its more significant than these rumors.
 
Well i've had a good look at the replies and a good giggle at most of them. Thanks for your input guys
you can get back to me when you have something to backup your mindless, unfounded ramblings. I
wasn't expecting to get a great reception from my anti iPhone post on one of the worlds biggest
Apple fanboy's websites but thanks anyway for your input. My points remain valid.

Wizard i think gets where i'm coming from and is the only one worthy of a response as his post made
sense and had method to his responses.

First of all don't get me wrong. I don't have an issue with Apple per se. I have owned hundreds of
products they designed. At the moment i have and iPhone 4 32GB white, which is performing better
than any of the 4 of my black ones i had before. An old second gen Nano the latest gen iPod Classic
160GB A Macbook Pro and a 24" iMac. They're all great I only have an issue with the iPhone 4.

Maybe i should be more specific. In relation to the iPhone 4. I think it is a flawed product because i
know even though i had four black ones and one white one i didn't get one that i could hold a
conversation on until my fifth one. Its the first product i've had from Apple that i haven't
been completely satisfied with. I have no doubt that the iPhone 4 would have been the best phone
on the planet had Apple gotten the 'phone' part of it right! If you were lucky enough to get one that
works perfectly then i can gather you are very lucky and must be happy with your
phone. I get that, but i wasn't so lucky and i can only come to the conclusion that if i had 4 bad
ones before i got a good one. That the black model is flawed and i only got lucky with a white
one because it was manufactured much later.

Your right Wizard I only worked for Apple briefly and it wasn't in the R&D department. I never
built a phone from the ground up your right. But i do know that if i was in the business of making
phones and technology from the ground up for the last 20 years it wouldn't take me a year to put
a new camera and a faster processer in it to make a 3G a 3GS. And was simply suggesting that
if they do that again with the iPhone 4 that i'll be very disappointed and wont be purchasing that
particular model.

Let me assure you i had an iPhone 2G for almost two years. Back when you had to type code in
line by line to unlock it and even then it was hit and miss. Emotional need for a new product is
not something i crave. I'd settle for an iPhone i can make a call on for more than 10 minutes
without seeing the words 'call failed'. I also have no issue with the iOS. Its one of the most
advanced in the world (in parts) The issue i was referring to was the hardware issue with the
iPhone.



I can comprehend why Nokia's devices are now so cheap. Financial crisis will force you to
reduce your profit margins to pay the bills. The only reason for an explosion of iPhone sales
is due to massive subsidies being offered by networks. Apple have done a fantastic job
getting into markets all over the world and outselling other manufactures in a few short
years but make no mistake about it. They are not doing any favors for us with the initial
price point of €500 to €700. That will need to come down to capture the rest of the market
and those who cant afford the bills even with the subsidy.



I beg to differ. I drop a few thousand euros with Apple every year. And recommend products
to many colleagues, friends and family who all generally have a product or two. I'm a fanboy
too. And if they loose me they loose more than just me guaranteed. Fine it might not hurt
them much financially but if more are getting a bit cheesed off just like me it could be to
their own detriment. And i don't miss a beat I've seen the sharp decline in other manufacturers
but the fact remains i can buy a nokia and put a 64GB memory card in it. Maybe Apple should
start offering us their phones in a similar way that they offer us the macbook pro. If we
choose we can upgrade to 64GB or 128GB and pay the extra. Let us choose from 10 colors.
And decide what accessories we would like. Instead of just removing one piece of the kit each
time until we have nothing left while thinking that we haven't noticed!

iPhone 2G: iPhone, headphones, Charger, USB, dock, Cleaning Cloth, Sim opening tool,
instruction manual.

Look in your iPhone 4 box and guess which part is going next. USB Cable or Charger?!

What dumb post. Thanks for that. Nobody cares. One day someone will have a legitimate complaint about an iPhone....not the same recycled reaching for straws crap that has been heard (and disproved) a thousand times.
 
finally!

I think we've all waited too long for this. I'm tired of hearing people that don't know anything about what they're talking about ask "when's the iPhone 5 coming out?" It's frustrating. And at least now we'll be able to answer everyones annoying question. I don't know what the iPhone 5 will bring, but like a few of you have said, I didn't wait over a year for the same product with a few internal upgrades. I'm looking for a new form factor, a minimum of 2GHZ total processing power (dual core 1GHZ chip, A5), not necessarily 8 MP camera but a hell of a good one, LTE, and one more feature we're all not expecting. I know everyone cringed at the LTE, but I don't see why not- I know AT&T LTE is launching later in this summer, and obviously America is one of the few LTE adopters right now, but would it really hurt Apple to at least make the antenna capable of LTE? To shut all the iPhone haters up out there, the iPhone 5 needs LTE, to be considered a true contender across the entire board. The only thing that scares me is that other manufacturers are already discussing dual core 1.5 GHZ chips, but I feel like Apple went so long without a release that they truly are falling behind in terms of the processor game. I know, especially in Android phones, that specs don't always equal performance, but if I'm gonna spend a premium to upgrade my iPhone 4, I want to at least know that I'm currently buying the best device available. I can live with a better phone launched after the iPhone 5, but spec wise I want the iPhone 5 to be the market leader in terms of specs when I buy it.
 
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