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Thats where your dead wrong, and what i cant understand. Even though the iPhone 4 is a flawed product we all bought it anyway. And thats what i cant get my head around. Why do we pay €699 for something that didn't work properly. I'm as much to blame myself. My point is, i've learned my lesson, i won't be buying the next one unless its just right for me! I've had all previous ones and the strongest built one was the iPhone 2G.

This is a good product?

If it a good product how come i've had to return mine 4 times for service?
If its a good product how come it wont function properly without a case on it?

I bought the iPhone 4 because it's not a flawed product. It does everything I expected it to when evaluating the decision to purchase, and it's been exactly what I expected and more. It works 100% properly and I've had 0 problems with it.....so don't speak like you are representative of the masses. K Thanks.
 
I bought the iPhone 4 because it's not a flawed product. It does everything I expected it to when evaluating the decision to purchase, and it's been exactly what I expected and more. It works 100% properly and I've had 0 problems with it.....so don't speak like you are representative of the masses. K Thanks.

I fill like you we are Idiots and jobs knows it.
just a small commit: you don't need a case you can buy rubber gloves:)
 
I really hope you get some capitalist counseling.

Personally i think its a disgrace that its been this long since a release. 395 days today since
the iPhone 4.
It isn't ideal, I will admit that. However I wouldn't call it a disgrace, it is a unfortunate reality.
Releasing a new phone each year was already too long between updates. Were not talking
about a new computer here. Its not as complex as that. Mostly, we get a new iOS, a few
minor hardware updates and on occasion a new case design. It could be done in three months
if required.
Actually it can't be done that quickly. Besides I suspect you don't have a clue when it comes to understanding the complexity in build new hardware from the ground up. Plus there is the software side of the equation.
I mean it couldn't have taken Apple one year to upgrade the 3G to the 3GS which
were effectively exactly the same with some internal tweaks. Its all intentional, the 3GS was
probably ready and tested soon after the 3G was released yet it was let run for a year to
maximise profits. I can understand that.
Pure speculation on your part.
Apple are one of the most profitable companies in
the world. But its at the stage now that user satisfaction is being compromised to maximise
profits.
BS! Most users are very satistfied with their iPhone 4's. The only people complaint are those like you with no clue or an emotional need to have something new.
Theres only one Mobile Phone manufacturer that could get away with it! Lucky for Apple,
its them.
Actually anybody could if they produced a quality device and kept it updated. This is a key reality of iPhone, Apple does update the software for their phones and it is easy for owners to update. Every iPhone 4 out there is a fully modern device if the owner does his part.
I cant find exact numbers but i'd say Nokia released at least 40 handsets last year without
breaking a sweat.
You can't be serious! Nokia is close to closing it's doors and demand for those phones it released this year have collapsed. In effect they broke the bank with all of those releases.
They're cheap (Cheapest is 8% of the total iPhone 4 cost and most expensive
one is still €200 cheaper than the best iPhone),come with two years warranty as standard,
are usually aesthetically pleasing enough, there is always a new one around when its time
to upgrade and best of all (unlike the iPhone 4) you could have a clear conversation on it
no matter what way you held it. All other mobile manufactures manage to give us 3 or 4
new ones a year with no problems too.
Again you don't seem to comprehend the financial issues that most of the other hand set makers are suffering from. In any event you clearly highlight your mental issues with things that are new. Most people prefer that that works well, thus an explosion in iPhone sales. Apples numbers speak for themselves, people want value for their money.
I say, firstly if Apple give us an iPhone 4S after one year and two months of waiting i'm
certainly not buying it. It doesn't take one year and two months to put an 8MP camera
and and A5 chip in an iPhone 4.

How do you know this? For example what if that A5 chip required a process shrink to keep power manageable. As to cameras Apple has pretty high standards here, I'm certain that getting the camera right for the next iPhone is no trivial matter.
If they don't give me the 64GB storage i've needed for years, i'm not buying it.
Actually I agree here.
If i even hear the word 'Antennagate' mentioned at all i'm not buying it.
Easily manipulated I see!!
I encourage you all to follow suite. If it doesn't meet your needs. Keep your iPhone 4,
3GS,3G or 2G until they make a phone which has exactly what you need.
I'd like an iPhone with lips (so it feels good in the pocket) do you think I should wait for Apple to make one?

Look it is pretty simple, by their nature mass produced items are compromises, it is highly unlikely that anyone will exactly meet your needs or my needs fir that matter. IPhone just happens to be the closest at meeting most people's needs.
We are the customer, and its about time Apple listened to us and started building phones
that we want, phones that meet our needs. Not prescribing beautiful pieces of crap that
need to be sent for Apple service 4 times a year (in my case).
Funny I haven't sent my iPhone 4 anywhere for service. Makes you wonder where the problem is here.
There was a time not so long ago that when you bought an Apple product you bought it
because you didn't mind paying extra with the peace of mind that the product was
solid and would last for years once carefully maintained. That time, looks to be disappearing
fast, and let me assure you i'll be the first to go with it.

Bye bye! Seriously Apple doesnt need customers that are so disconnected from reality. Disconnected you are because you have missed just how strongly Apples products have been accepted in the market. Further you have missed the sharp decline of Nokia and other handset manufactures. The reality is few have a need for a new phone every couple of months. With smart phones the desire is actually the opposite as they become integrated into people's lives more and more.
 
Just a thought.

I don't mean to be picky; but wouldn't "Apple Retail Increasing Staffing for August-September in U.S. Too" be a more appropriate title since the word too is describing "in U.S." and not "August-September?" The current title misleads one to believe that this is in addition to another staffing increase at another time although the article clears things up.
 
The incredible ignorance.

Thats where your dead wrong, and what i cant understand. Even though the iPhone 4 is a flawed product we all bought it anyway.
It is by no means a flawed product. Unless you let go of this bias you will never understand why people buy the iPhone.
And thats what i cant get my head around. Why do we pay €699 for something that didn't work properly. I'm as much to blame myself. My point is, i've learned my lesson, i won't be buying the next one unless its just right for me! I've had all previous ones and the strongest built one was the iPhone 2G.
Well of course you won't buy if it isn't right for you. The problem is you mind is full of crap with respect to the iPhone 4.
This is a good product? [/URL]
Really have you read any of Gizmodos articles about other Apple products? Gizmodo is highly biased. Take their review of Lion as an example.

IPhone 4 is a very good product with one of the best antennas in the industry. If it was as bad as implied sales would not be as strong as they are.
If it a good product how come i've had to return mine 4 times for service?
Read your postings here they should explain what type of person you are.
If its a good product how come it wont function properly without a case on it?
It functions fine without the case. Look at it this way anybody with a little RF experience can get a device to fail, it is the nature of the beast. It is sort of like rabbit ears on a TV, if you are too stupid to orient the antenna correctly it isn't the TV manufactures fault. In a nut shell antenna gate was the result of two things. Stupid people and opportunist that like to take pop shots at Apple.
 
enough with the iFun toys, lets talk mac pros for Professional who spend more time rendering in Final Cut then sleeping :D
 
Then why August 15th? thats the only thing throwing me off.. Apple store employees don't know anything till its announced, so why make them come back 2.5-3 weeks early. Thats the only reason why I'm thinking August 26th.. as a possible launch day and something mid August for announcement.

Maybe to prep them?
 
These were previous Announcement and Sale dates:
2G A: tue jan 9 S: friday June 29, 2007
3G A: mon jun 9 S: friday July 11, 2008
3GS A: mon jun 8 S: friday June 19, 2009
4 A: mon jun 7 S: thursday June 24, 2010

So usually 2-3 weeks between announcement and availability.
If the want to refresh beginning of september there should be an event around mid august, or they use the iPod even, which was on these dates:
iPod event - tuesday september 9th 2008
iPod event - wednesday september 9th 2009
iPod event - thursday september 2nd 2010

Invitations usually get sent out a week before.
 
Personally i think its a disgrace that its been this long since a release. 395 days today since
the iPhone 4.

Releasing a new phone each year was already too long between updates. Were not talking
about a new computer here. Its not as complex as that. Mostly, we get a new iOS, a few
minor hardware updates and on occasion a new case design. It could be done in three months
if required. I mean it couldn't have taken Apple one year to upgrade the 3G to the 3GS which
were effectively exactly the same with some internal tweaks. Its all intentional, the 3GS was
probably ready and tested soon after the 3G was released yet it was let run for a year to
maximise profits. I can understand that. Apple are one of the most profitable companies in
the world. But its at the stage now that user satisfaction is being compromised to maximise
profits.


Theres only one Mobile Phone manufacturer that could get away with it! Lucky for Apple,
its them.

I cant find exact numbers but i'd say Nokia released at least 40 handsets last year without
breaking a sweat. They're cheap (Cheapest is 8% of the total iPhone 4 cost and most expensive
one is still €200 cheaper than the best iPhone),come with two years warranty as standard,
are usually aesthetically pleasing enough, there is always a new one around when its time
to upgrade and best of all (unlike the iPhone 4) you could have a clear conversation on it
no matter what way you held it. All other mobile manufactures manage to give us 3 or 4
new ones a year with no problems too.

I say, firstly if Apple give us an iPhone 4S after one year and two months of waiting i'm
certainly not buying it. It doesn't take one year and two months to put an 8MP camera
and and A5 chip in an iPhone 4.

If they don't give me the 64GB storage i've needed for years, i'm not buying it.

If i even hear the word 'Antennagate' mentioned at all i'm not buying it.


I encourage you all to follow suite. If it doesn't meet your needs. Keep your iPhone 4,
3GS,3G or 2G until they make a phone which has exactly what you need.


We are the customer, and its about time Apple listened to us and started building phones
that we want, phones that meet our needs. Not prescribing beautiful pieces of crap that
need to be sent for Apple service 4 times a year (in my case).

There was a time not so long ago that when you bought an Apple product you bought it
because you didn't mind paying extra with the peace of mind that the product was
solid and would last for years once carefully maintained. That time, looks to be disappearing
fast, and let me assure you i'll be the first to go with it.



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Dublinstiofán said:
GuitarDTO said:
Good god get off your high horse. Apple has been making a good product, and we the consumer have been buying it. If it wasn't a good product, we wouldn't buy it. If you aren't happy with your experience, don't buy the next one. We don't care.

Thats where your dead wrong, and what i cant understand. Even though the iPhone 4 is a flawed product we all bought it anyway. And thats what i cant get my head around. Why do we pay €699 for something that didn't work properly. I'm as much to blame myself. My point is, i've learned my lesson, i won't be buying the next one unless its just right for me! I've had all previous ones and the strongest built one was the iPhone 2G.

This is a good product?

If it a good product how come i've had to return mine 4 times for service?
If its a good product how come it wont function properly without a case on it?

@ Dublinstiofán
DUDE, got issues much? Just listen to yourself. I'm guessing 12? Do you really think you know what apple goes through to R&D to get a new product out? And even if you were right, and they should/could have more than one update a year, is it still worth loosing your mind over? Way too emotional in my opinion.

I honestly think that if you ran apple, you wouldn't have me as a customer. You think they could of gave you your iPhone 4 in three week? Rhetorical, I'm done with this nonsense.
 
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These were previous Announcement and Sale dates:
2G A: tue jan 9 S: friday June 29, 2007
3G A: mon jun 9 S: friday July 11, 2008
3GS A: mon jun 8 S: friday June 19, 2009
4 A: mon jun 7 S: thursday June 24, 2010

So usually 2-3 weeks between announcement and availability.
If the want to refresh beginning of september there should be an event around mid august, or they use the iPod even, which was on these dates:
iPod event - tuesday september 9th 2008
iPod event - wednesday september 9th 2009
iPod event - thursday september 2nd 2010

Invitations usually get sent out a week before.

Great post!
Thanks!
 
These were previous Announcement and Sale dates:
2G A: tue jan 9 S: friday June 29, 2007
3G A: mon jun 9 S: friday July 11, 2008
3GS A: mon jun 8 S: friday June 19, 2009
4 A: mon jun 7 S: thursday June 24, 2010

So usually 2-3 weeks between announcement and availability.
If the want to refresh beginning of september there should be an event around mid august, or they use the iPod even, which was on these dates:
iPod event - tuesday september 9th 2008
iPod event - wednesday september 9th 2009
iPod event - thursday september 2nd 2010

Invitations usually get sent out a week before.

It was actually Wednesday the first. The only reason why I remember that is because I was in English and I was watching the live event when my professor was blabbing on. But anyway, maybe we will get an earlier event this year because the BTS promotion doesn't even end till the 15th. So possibly early announcement this year and later release date.
 
The August hiring increase could just as easily be for back-to-school traffic. Hopefully it's a sign of an upcoming release but who kows.
 
Thats where your dead wrong, and what i cant understand. Even though the iPhone 4 is a flawed product we all bought it anyway.

What I can't understand is this post. a. I have a BBerry, not an iPhone, and I'm perfectly happy with it (PS I love my Kindle as well). b. If you don't like a product just return it and get something else. Honestly, I think this "throw off the shackles of our Apple oppressor" stuff is asinine. Apple makes some great products, some good ones; but if you don't like something, just buy something else and shut up. This is not a psychiatric forum, and we are not your therapists.
 
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FogCityMac said:
When are the next gen MacBook Pros coming out??

Id love to know too
 
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cozmot said:

Say goodbye to unlimited data. It'll go the way of free water.

I love my unlimited data plan here in Taiwan. 200 txts and 90 min calling for about $30US. I decided on the plan with less calling mins but unlimited 3G.
 
I paid $32.67 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Toshiba laptop for $94.83 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $52.78 to get. Here is the website we using to get all this stuff, CentShack.com
Oh my goodness thank you for the information!
 
Apple isn't doing the free ipod promo this time around, so they don't have to wait for back to school promo to end to update the ipods. Makes me think we'll see new iphone/ipod in one update.
 
They can't possibly release a new iPad and an iPhone at the same time, it'd be double chaos.
 
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