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Apple is by far the worst. All you have to do is to attend their interviews and see the fanboys/fangirls who want to work there. I went to two rounds of interviews and I have never seen so much fanboyism in the prospect employees. I swear to god some people would want to work for Apple for free; all they want in return is free Apple products. :p

From my experience it was the non fanboys that got hired. You have to have interest in the product but you do not have to be a fanboy, just need to know how to sell without being pushy. When I got hired in my market group there was a person who never used an Apple computer.

I liked 90% of the customers at my store. Easy to just chat and find out exactly what they needed without over selling them, no commission made that a little easier. But at times there are customers that expect me to get on my hands and knees to beg for the sale or just to help them.

My specialist pay at hire was $17.50 in CA. But other specialist ranged from $12-18. $18 was the expert range, which involves a lot of product knowledge and interviews with market heads and store leaders. Apple does care for its employees. Look at what they did for them during the iPhone 4 release. I know I worked a 14 hour work day and got paid overtime and a bonus with plenty of food and snacks. Releases are hard times but Apple makes sure everyone gets through it including the customers.
 
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Based on my former days in Best Buy, you could pretty much replace Apple Store with any retail environment.

I do like reading that Keynote days are big days for them and they pretty much all watch at the store.
 
I was one of the highest paid non Lead, Genii in the region (I trained multiple locations.)

I was capped at $20.00, didn't get a raise for 2 years.

Specialist pay in CA was $10.00-15.00
Genius pay in CA was $16.00-$20.00
Lead Genius pay was $22.00-$25.00

The fact that its CA is kinda sad. We made that over here in the mid-east.

I got $25/hour of freelance work I did with local papers and stations, and that was bottom of the barrel for that industry. They kept apologizing to me because of the pay.
 
so essentially working at the apple store is like working for any other employer. crap.
 
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It was so embarrassing sitting at the Genius Bar with customers coming up with new products and you're like, "One second I need to take this in back (to the Genius Room) to do diagnostics.) and once you get back there like ravenous wolves people hover around the product.

A lot of secret "Apple Eyes" do not disclose knowledge of this issue or resolution to the customer. That was a big bother to me. Like when the Macbook heatsink problem first developed. We knew about but had to turn people away and tell them nothing was wrong until Apple came out with the new heatsink.

I thought it was funny how skittish the Genius was about what was really wrong with my Mac Pro, I think it was the ATI XT 1900 or thereabouts that Apple sold the first round of Mac Pros. It was plainly a graphics card problem but he couldn't say that.

I worked at the Virgin Megastore in Union Square about 7 years ago. The store manager was worried about sales and called a mandatory employee meeting at 8:00am on a Saturday. He informed everyone that in three months, the doors would be closing and that afterward, we would all be out of jobs. Everyone was freaking out. The guy then says, "But am I serious? Those of you who worried about your future and not the future of this company, should leave. Everyone else, let's get this store back on track!"

There are no surprises in retail stores. The only surprise would be if management wasn't a bunch of a$$holes.

Given those choices, I'd leave at the first opportunity, it's not a good way to motivate. Bad management will never think of themselves as the possible stumbling block to a real future.

Retail is the only place where you can see a person that needs your help, and you're the only one that can help and they know it, but they'll talk down to you like you're the scum between their toes.

That's really sad. I haven't done retail, but know people that did. I'm really glad I have a generally polite and competent customer base, I haven't had a lot of horror stories, relatively speaking. I do get a few people that apparently can't read past the second word of a sentence though.
 
so essentially working at the apple store is like working for any other employer. crap.

Not at all thats the point some of us former employees are making. Working for Apple can at times be worse than other places.

My current employer I am happy. BestBuy and CompUSA I was happy. At Apple I spent more time going, "What the hell is going on!"
 
I thought it was funny how skittish the Genius was about what was really wrong with my Mac Pro, I think it was the ATI XT 1900 or thereabouts that Apple sold the first round of Mac Pros. It was plainly a graphics card problem but he couldn't say that.

Guarantee you the first thing he did was went to service.info.apple.com, typed in your issue in the Apple Kbase, saw "Apple Eyes Only" followed by "Do Not Disclose to Customer". It was so frustrating to straight up lie to people. Nothing is wrong, its your Edge memory, you need an OS optimization, when in fact it was a bad MLB that Apple knew about but just wasn't ready to deal with yet.
 
Retail store employees are expected to sell significant numbers of add-ons such as AppleCare and MobileMe as they close sales on hardware products.

That's not a surprise - they wear blue shirts just like the Best Buy droids.

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I worked at the Virgin Megastore in Union Square about 7 years ago.

I know about the Virgin on Market Street, but never knew that there was one on Union Square as well.

I guess you learn something about your local neighborhood every day.


Can someone please inform me as to what is going on here? Someone blasted me for posting a one-word post and now everyone keeps replying with one-word posts. Are there really rules against this? I really don't understand the inside joke.

I think that you got the joke - the only consistent thing about MacRumours is the inconsistency! ;)
 
so essentially working at the apple store is like working for any other employer. crap.

Well the end of quarter parties, staff BBQs, and other things made it the best retail job I ever had. I guess it depends on your store leaders. But there were also a lot of opportunities to attend free training and events at the Campus. O yeah discounts and free 3rd party accessory samples did help too. Also it was fun to travel to other stores and sub in when stores needed help. It was a welcoming work environment very informal most of the time.
 
Interesting read I guess, but nothing new for sure. I worked at an Apple Store for over 4 years as a Genius. My co-workers were the best part really, made some great friends there. Some customers were great as well I also made some friends there too, however there were MANY crazy/jerk customers -- at least a handful every day. It was definitely a challenge to deal with some of the people with an overdeveloped-sense-of-entitlement, but overall I loved my experience there.
 
so essentially working at the apple store is like working for any other employer. crap.

My advice is to go to school and stay out of retail, unless you plan on owning the business or running it for corporate...
 
this is a really slow news day. even gruber has yet to make a post today.
 
Well the end of quarter parties, staff BBQs, and other things made it the best retail job I ever had. I guess it depends on your store leaders. But there were also a lot of opportunities to attend free training and events at the Campus. O yeah discounts and free 3rd party accessory samples did help too. Also it was fun to travel to other stores and sub in when stores needed help. It was a welcoming work environment very informal most of the time.

The parties were all "On Campus" events. Its strictly written in the Employee manual that Apple stores cannot have organized "parties" that involve "Apple". I mean for crying out loud you couldn't even goto lunch with your Genius shirt on. You had to remove it because Apple doesn't want you representing Apple outside of the store walls.
 
Isn't this every retail store? That's how it was everywhere I worked. (Hell)
 
i like how they try to sell attachments to me.... "would you like to try mobile me?" no i dont wana pay 100$ for something that doesnt work. "what about apple care" no i dont need to spend 100$ on something that covers it only when the phone breaks on its own and comes with a free year of it already anyhow.
 
The parties were all "On Campus" events. Its strictly written in the Employee manual that Apple stores cannot have organized "parties" that involve "Apple". I mean for crying out loud you couldn't even goto lunch with your Genius shirt on. You had to remove it because Apple doesn't want you representing Apple outside of the store walls.

Not true where I worked, even though I 'heard' of such a rule about shirts, it was never enforced. We'd go out with our shirts on all the time for lunch/dinner/breaks/etc. In fact, we had many get togethers after work, training, and meetings in my 4+yrs there.
 
Not true where I worked, even though I 'heard' of such a rule about shirts, it was never enforced. We'd go out with our shirts on all the time for lunch/dinner/breaks/etc. In fact, we have several get togethers after work, training, and meetings.

Its punishable though. Ron Johnson came into our store once and saw employees walking in with shirts and we got the blunt end of the stick. After that it was enforced like Sharia. You wore your shirt out, you were terminated.
 
Its punishable though. Ron Johnson came into our store once and saw employees walking in with shirts and we got the blunt end of the stick. After that it was enforced like Sharia. You wore your shirt out, you were terminated.

If you're talking about On Campus parties and Ron Johnson coming in I'm going to assume your store was in Cali, or close to the Mother Ship, so to speak. I'm sure those stores were/are much more strict on corporate policy. The store I worked at couldn't be much further from corporate geographically in the US. We felt more like a 'satellite' store. I guess it had its advantages. ;)
 
Agree with other - Apple Retail sounds very much similar to any other retail operation.

When I worked retail, my company was HUGE on credit applications. You were ranked, and the accordingly praised or shamed dependent upon number of credit applications received.

Crappy customers? Yup life in retail.

Good customers, bad customers, arrogant or nice employees, helpful or useless managers - that's not Apple Retail. That's life!
 
I haven't had a lot of horror stories, relatively speaking. I do get a few people that apparently can't read past the second word of a sentence though.

I haven't had too many rude clients myself, I really do believe it's about the type of customer you draw in. Once Apple started drawing in tons of iPhone and Macbook users they got their fair share of complete ********tards

The parties were all "On Campus" events. Its strictly written in the Employee manual that Apple stores cannot have organized "parties" that involve "Apple". I mean for crying out loud you couldn't even goto lunch with your Genius shirt on. You had to remove it because Apple doesn't want you representing Apple outside of the store walls.

Its punishable though. Ron Johnson came into our store once and saw employees walking in with shirts and we got the blunt end of the stick. After that it was enforced like Sharia. You wore your shirt out, you were terminated.

Yes, that is the standing policy and has been for years. If you worked for Apple for a short time, then you were okay and was spared from the garbage. If you spent years there, you got to see all the ugly thing that you would never find in any other retail outlet.

Just saying.
 
I haven't had too many rude clients myself, I really do believe it's about the type of customer you draw in. Once Apple started drawing in tons of iPhone and Macbook users they got their fair share of complete ********tards

That's so true, started slowly with the 4th gen iPod and boomed with iPhones and MacBooks.
 
i love apple products but i would hate working for them. i bet they're constantly micromanaged and made to feel insignificant -- basically like their factory workers in china.
 
Our store was in the mid 50's.

I worked at CompUSA, Best Buy, Office Depot, and Apple (before moving onto the Corp. World.) My fav. job by far was CompUSA with Best Buy a close second. Apple to me was just so polarizing. I loved Apple but hated the way retail employees were expected to act and were in return treated. I also hated how we Apple retail grew out of control and instead of quality employees (managers included) Apple went for quantity. Apple Retail in my eyes too spent to much time emulating other businesses instead of carving out its own (everything was do it like the Ritz Carlton or the Gap.) Gapple FTW!

1. I miss CompUSA, Circuit City, etc. as most cities have only BestBuy or RadioShack for their electronic/computer needs (NYC has TekServe which I try to frequent)

2. Was a Clientele Specialist at a Banana Republic in the '90's when Mickie Drexler was the GAP CEO (GAP owns "Old Navy" and "Banana Republic" - purchased around 1984 from a married couple who ran it as a Safari based retail store). Drexler KILLED GAP as he opened too many locations too quickly, including Banana Republic. He also restructured the merchandise for Banana Republic by eliminating unique items such as sports wear, home goods like beddings, pillows, dishes, silverware, candles, etc. and more fashion forward clothing (i.e. poorly made baggy "basics", fit guys that need tailored shirts w/ smaller waists were SOL). Now Drexler is on Apple's board.

- I used to work at a small Apple retail store then a larger location, first as a "Floor Specialist" then as a "Genius". At first I was excited, my co-workers seemed enthusiastic, the company was growing, Mac's were selling. It was great to see repeat customers who just switched come back asking for you specifically.

- Then the curtain was pulled back. Every store had to have a customer rating of 8 or better. It was beaten into us to make sure customers left as "promoters" and not "detractors". Receipts had our employee information with an online survey for customers to complete. No matter how hard you worked with someone, the huge increase of Soccer Mom's and "fashionista's" from 2007+ wanting their damaged iDevice replaced was awful, most threw fits and degraded employees.

- We couldn't refer to the APP as a "warranty", ever, as it gives the impression that Apple products break, we had to refer to it as a "guarantee".

As a Genius, the alarming increase of iDevice repairs/appointments was staggering. IF I got a Mac system I was excited. Most days I had to deal with customers who came in with their guns blaring. Nothing I could do or say would satiate them. Many claimed their iPhone was lost and demanded a new one which Apple/AT&T cannot do as the customer may be lying.

- Apple began tracking online forums as customers began posting on which locations had Genius bars with lenient policies. Those locations were reprimanded and restructured, and Apple changed their policies on iPhone replacements. Geniuses were forced to get every job verified by Assistant and the General Manager, which meant slower repairs and appointments and more complaints.

- Most Floor Specialists are minimum wage high school and/or college students that don't know ANYTHING about computers. I had to explain IPS panels and how they are beneficial to Apple displays, or RAM or SATA or GB's etc. This mean that customers came to the bar with issues as the "Floor Specialist" misinformed them when selling their product, and demanded a refund or replacement. Of course, we took the heat.

In the end, it was an awful experience. Sure, retail is retail, however Apple changed from a computer company to an Inc. electronics company, and OS X and Desktop systems such as the affordable PowerMac's were replaced with overpriced, overpowered and infrequently updated/behind the tech Mac Pro Xeon server systems. This meant professionals who use Mac's for their work that supported Apple in the 90's who couldn't afford Mac Pro's and iMac's used to use mobile processors had to go else where. This coupled with the huge boom in the iPhone and iOS meant big bucks for Apple in supplying large quantity/low quality products while leaving OS X users behind. The last time I worked at Apple, we had t-shirts that promoted Leopard, "A New Mac for your Mac". Then those were replaced with iPhone *****, now nada.
 
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