Apple Retains Fourth Place for Q3 Notebook PC Shipments, Industry Growth Limited by Supply Constraints

[sw1tcher]

Will soon be at the top spot.

Soon to be #1.

Welcome to Arm Based 💻

Not likely.

Apple shipped an estimated 5.262 million Macs worldwide in Q4 2019. Lenovo shipped 17.498 million, HP shipped 16.119 million, and Dell shipped 12.114 million PCs.

Lenovo, HP, and Dell are selling more PCs too, not just Apple.

If they continue to increase shipments by at least 20% like they have been, Apple would have to increase shipments by over 300% to take the #1 spot next quarter.

 

[sw1tcher]

Most HP, lenovo, Dell machines are $400-$600 crap. Great job Apple.

Perhaps. But not everyone needs a $1,000 computer.

 

[EmotionalSnow]

The new Air looks like a viable replacement for my current (work issued) MBP. The only issues is... is there a JVM/does IntelliJ run on the Air? And also, I want a bigger screen.

Since Apple is going all in on Apple Silicon, I assume the JVM and IntelliJ will be coming... then it's just a matter of buying the biggest screen.

Honestly... we could reach the point where a 13" MBP is cheaper than a 13" iPad Pro (with accessories). Or are we there already?

Microsoft is porting Java to macOS ARM.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1326830251289178112

 

[Madhatter32]

Am I the only one surprised that HP and Lenovo top this list?

In my experience, HP is just straight up garbage. Although prices are low, quality is lower.

Lenovo is okay except for the fact they've repeatedly pre-installed spyware on their computers... I'd think that instantly rules out any organization or professional from buying them. Seems like that'd leave only people who don't actually need computers at all, so IDK why they're being purchased.

Dell is the company I'd expect to top the list. Somewhere below Apple quality but at notably more affordable prices.

Also... are Chromebooks being considered here? I'd expect them to be pretty big, but I guess that's not a specific manufacturer...

I am not surprised. HP is putting out some great devices these days at a vairiety of competitive price points. It is doing a good job actually.

 

[garaig]

I will be curious next year because these needs are not real for a longer time.

 

[AppliedVisual]

And they grew their market share by almost 40% amidst a pandemic with supply chain shortages and shutdowns. All while a significant portion of their user base knew Apple Silicon Macs were imminent. Of course, new laptop sales across the industry had a huge sales surge due to the pandemic and all the new WFH situations...

 

[hagjohn]

Am I the only one surprised that HP and Lenovo top this list?

In my experience, HP is just straight up garbage. Although prices are low, quality is lower.

Lenovo is okay except for the fact they've repeatedly pre-installed spyware on their computers... I'd think that instantly rules out any organization or professional from buying them. Seems like that'd leave only people who don't actually need computers at all, so IDK why they're being purchased.

Dell is the company I'd expect to top the list. Somewhere below Apple quality but at notably more affordable prices.

Also... are Chromebooks being considered here? I'd expect them to be pretty big, but I guess that's not a specific manufacturer...

Look at some of the reviews of HP and Lenovo laptops. Some have some good things to say, especially with the AMD Mobile 4000 chips in them.

 

[BornAgainMac]

At some point, your iPhone or iPad might be able enable Mac mode that you can dock. People saying Apple will never be #1 are not thinking of what ARM can do.

 

[ghost187]

Hahaha. Nope. I love Apple. Have iPhones, iPads, a desktop and a MacBook in our house. But Apple will NEVER be at the top of this list. They are simply too expensive to ever be #1

These new Macs have $3000 performance for about $1000. You can’t even beat the fanless Air with any windows desktop without a monitor, keyboard or mouse for the same price. Also, the Mac now has the biggest app eco system overnight with the iOS App Store. I agree that Apple will make much more money by replacing $300+ Intel chips, but price/performance here is unbeatable. So, I disagree that these Macs are even remotely expensive. It’s not their fault competition doesn’t exist.

 

[GeoStructural]

Hahaha. Nope. I love Apple. Have iPhones, iPads, a desktop and a MacBook in our house. But Apple will NEVER be at the top of this list. They are simply too expensive to ever be #1

I may add that MacOS is also not nearly as effective for many fields (professional engineers and scientists, for instance).

95% of the software that I use daily for my engineering activities do not run on MacOS, I need to either virtualize or run in BootCamp and the performance is heavily handicapped.

These new Macs have $3000 performance for about $1000. You can’t even beat the fanless Air with any windows desktop without a monitor, keyboard or mouse for the same price. Also, the Mac now has the biggest app eco system overnight with the iOS App Store. I agree that Apple will make much more money by replacing $300+ Intel chips, but price/performance here is unbeatable. So, I disagree that these Macs are even remotely expensive. It’s not their fault competition doesn’t exist.

You are talking about benchmarks, I do not doubt that these M1 chips perform outstandingly in the number of operations they do per watt, but I am more interested in real-world usage scenarios, I am waiting to see that type of review.

 

[Essaux]

Apple shipped 1.7 million more notebook PC units

So Macs are PCs 😱

 

[XXPP]

Perhaps. But not everyone needs a $1,000 computer.

I did not write about what the clients need, but about the laptop category and the profit on sales.

 

[AppliedVisual]

At some point, your iPhone or iPad might be able enable Mac mode that you can dock. People saying Apple will never be #1 are not thinking of what ARM can do.

Agree 100% with the sentiment here, but don't credit ARM. Apple silicon shares little with any ARM design aside from the core instruction set. Apple's chips since the A10 have sharply diverged from what ARM is designing and have evolved into something much greater.

 

[sw1tcher]

So Macs are PCs 😱

If PC = Personal Computer, then yes

 

[Apple_Robert]

Good for Apple in this difficult time. It will be interesting to see what happens with next yer first quarter sales.

 

[simoss23]

It's really easy for Apple to be number 1. But it's going to be really hard for them.
1- Stop being greedy - > An 8 gb RAM for the base model in M1 mac... seriously??
2- Stop being greedy - > Be consistent with the price and don't increase it each year. The M1 macs are actually as expensive as the Intel ones.
3- Just go back to the macbook pro 2015 and before design. Bring the real "PRO" design, with many ports, magsafe, ..etc.
4- You should compete with the RTX Nvidia line GPU and not the older GTX 1050 if you really want to attract more customers

 

[Essaux]

If PC = Personal Computer, then yes

Yeah I was just being silly. Never understood Mac vs PC as Macs are by default PCs 😄