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Why does Apple continue to insist on using Foxconn? One of the worst companies on the planet.
 
Crap aluminum = crap anodizing = crap finish = scratches in crap phone = foxconn is in the crapper.
 
LOL. You have zero credibility. Here's an earlier post of your's (and that probably wasn't truthful either):

"Not true. Back in November I did exactly this. I think they let me get through at least 5 phones before saying no more. All had various issues from:
rattling sleep wake buttons
Crooked home..."

I'm sure he exaggerated when he said that he returned 30 (I doubt I would even make it to 5 before quitting on the iPhone). I'm also sure that Apple is happy that he's switching to a Galaxy 4 (they would rather not have him as a customer if he is returning a lot) :D.

There aren't too many alternatives, I'd guess. Most companies couldn't handle Apple's volume of orders.

Yep although I wonder why they didn't consider Samsung :D.
 
IF this is true, Foxconn isn't going to lose any money on this. They could easily sell them for double on the grey market.
 
will be returning my iphone 5 next week. It had camera issues one month after I bought it but I did not notice the dead pixels until they got worse. Now my camera has patchy blobs all over it and a few dead pixels.

I showed this to a friend who then also aimed his camera at a white surface. Lo and behold he also had a few dead pixels and will be returning his iphone 5 too, before it gets any worse.
 
on your iphone 5!?!?! wow..

my 4's home button lasted me only a year, was hoping the home on the 5 would last longer, so far so good for me

Hmm, stories like that are fodder for android fans. Fortunately my ipad mini was perfect out of the box. For $460, I would have taken it back if had flaws. My galaxy skyrocket is still good as new too. =D =D

Now that I think about it, I've had quite a few apple products and all have them have been just fine. Is this a recent development? (the flaws)
 
wow so much for quality control :(

maybe they should automate the construction

rather than having rotten builds from slave labor

Part of what Bob Mansfield does is create machines to build iPhones. They mentioned it in the iPhone 5 keynote.
 
So, does this mean there will be a deluge of factory refurbed iPhone 5 available from Apple at a steep discount?
 
I am glad I helped contribute towards this. I returned at least 30 iphone 5s. All had some sort of issue out of the box. I officially gave up and will be moving onto the Galaxy S4.

I hope you don't consider "color accuracy" an issue or you're about to go through 30 GS4s. :rolleyes:
 
How do you get that interpretation? They don't say what models or how old they are. This sounds like a collection of customer returned for exchange phones from the past several years. Apple is well known for their easy return for exchange program covering most any complaint. Heck, I've done it twice in the past year. Returning them would handle the recycling cost problems.

I get my interpretation from the same source where you think it sounds like it's a collection of customer returns from the past several years. :)
 
I'm on my third iPhone 5.

My coworker is on his third iPhone 5.

My friend is on his third iPhone 5.

Yeah, I'd say production problems...
 
More importantly... exactly "who" sat down and visually inspected 8 million iPhones? :eek: Most likely the OSX coders since they are working on nothing else and have time to spare.



True.

Sad thing is, 8 million iPhones disappear from the supply chain and Apple still has plenty of stock (no pun intended on their stock price).

:rolleyes:
 
I am glad I helped contribute towards this. I returned at least 30 iphone 5s. All had some sort of issue out of the box. I officially gave up and will be moving onto the Galaxy S4.

And 100% sure you will not be satisfied with S4 if you keep the same level of expectation.
 
And just think, soon another company other than the most proven one will be making the insides- the crucial guts- of our future iDevices. Here's a thread full of cosmetic and other (mostly surface) issues. Just wait until the guts themselves are potentially disappointing us.

I suspect that at least some of us will see Samsung differently when the pain in concepts like "Die Samsung Die" starts being increasingly felt in the Apple devices we pay for and use ourselves. Take note of some of the display threads recently where people are posting that they are hoping they get their replacement with a Samsung display instead of one of the other display manufacturers.

I wonder how long until we see similar threads of people hoping to get one of the last iDevices with Samsung-built "guts" rather than TSMC. I bet "Die Samsung, Die" becomes "Why Samsung, Why?" and then gives way to growing hope that Apple & Samsung get back together again... much like the old days when Apple would blow off one graphics card maker (and many would then hate that graphics card maker, bash them, call all of their graphics tech old or garbage) then Apple would later return to them (and many would then love them, welcome them back, call the graphics card maker they are re-replacing old, garbage, etc). Same story, different players.

I'm not a Samsung lover at all but they sure know how to help Apple make some great stuff. I hope TSMC can do it at least as well.
 
Crap aluminum = crap anodizing = crap finish = scratches in crap phone = foxconn is in the crapper.

Where in this rumors does it indicate that the casing is the reason for the returns? All the translated rumor said was: "due to appearance of substandard or dysfunctional problems". How does substandard or dysfunctional problems = crap aluminum? :confused:

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Perhaps, the market likes the idea of Apple getting tough on QA.

No, they'd punish the stock for the problems happening in the first place.
 
For me, I don't get how 5-8 million phones could be returned. Did Apple actually go through 5 million boxes of phones and test them? Or were 5 million phones returned by consumers because they were faulty? Something doesn't pass the smell test here.

I'm guessing it was a combination of both. I went through three phones, and the last one I got (which still has a dead pixel, but I gave up trying) had a sticker that said something like 'checked by applecare'. So I'm assuming they started looking over phones after so many people were returning them.

I know about a dozen people that have iPhone 5's, and the majority of them have returned them at least once. If the overall population had even close to the same return ratio, 5-8 million isn't hard to believe.

I like Apple products, but this one was a dud, in my opinion.
 
That's an amazing percentage of defective units. Something clearly wrong here. Either Foxconn are cutting corners or the iPhone is just too difficult to mass produce. Either way I wish Apple's quality control team were as rigorous when it comes to spotting and returning defective Retina MBP's.

How about if what's wrong is this isn't true? Why do people these days assume every rumor translated from some Asian source is factual? This rumor is apparently based on one Foxconn employee and people just take it as gospel truth?

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I'm guessing it was a combination of both. I went through three phones, and the last one I got (which still has a dead pixel, but I gave up trying) had a sticker that said something like 'checked by applecare'. So I'm assuming they started looking over phones after so many people were returning them.

I know about a dozen people that have iPhone 5's, and the majority of them have returned them at least once. If the overall population had even close to the same return ratio, 5-8 million isn't hard to believe.

I like Apple products, but this one was a dud, in my opinion.
Interesting though that this rumor comes out a day before Apple announces earnings. I don't think that's a coincidence. If there's so many defective units how come we're just hearing about them now?
 
Not had a problem with any iPhone 5. I did personally have a 4 or it might have been a 4S that had an issue. It turned out to be a defective SIM.

We purchase quite a bit of tech stuff. We as a company, use our stuff very hard. We have had far less issues with Apple products than with any other vender.
 
Interesting though that this rumor comes out a day before Apple announces earnings. I don't think that's a coincidence. If there's so many defective units how come we're just hearing about them now?

Maybe Samsung has an insider working at Foxconn. :D Let the conspiracy theories commence.
 
Raise a good point. iOS may not be doing much interesting but it does seem to be more reliable a vehicle than an Android based phone. I am strongly considering switching to the next Nexus Android phone as I want something different and I am tired of some of the iOS limitations (i.e. can't do attachments easily, no file sharing between apps, no default app setting, etc). However, i still hear many bad stories about "polish" issues with android phones which gives me pause. Luckily I can and will wait until iOS 7 and the next iPhone before making a decision...
Actually, iOS does let you share files between apps. Not glamorous but it works.

I agree iOS is the same and has been since launch, but I've used Android and it isn't for me. If anything I'll just move to Windows ^_^.
 
I bought 4 iPhones. Mum and Dad (who live alone and dont like internet) and my partner and I.

Every one of them got exchanged. My one is currently still getting exchanged. They got theirs exchanged at least twice, with my partners one getting 4 exchanges.

Combination of either terrible battery and/or really bad scratches and chips straight out of the box! It was quite bad, and a first as an owner of all iPhones other than the 2G.

My one, after 2 months and having never left its aftermarket case and a screen protector on, had really, really bad chips and paint missing all over the back - so im getting it exchanged.

Its still better than any other phone out there, hands down, but it is annoying.

Apparently Apple makes flawless cognitive dissonance machines.
 
This is part of why, long term cost might be less if they moved manufacturing back to the United States. The main reason, they will not? They want to sell more stuff in China. Longer term, I don't know if China is as cool of a market as everyone thinks.

Many reasons why electronics in high numbers do not get produced in the US:

Not enough workers of the type needed to do these kind of jobs.

Not enough engineers.

Too many restrictions in the US tax issues, etc.etc..raw material already there etc. can't list them all.

We went over that in several threads. In one of them an Obama and Steve Jobs discussion was mentioned.

So, if you'd educate yourself a little bit (CATO institute and others) you may get the real reasons.
 
How about if what's wrong is this isn't true? Why do people these days assume every rumor translated from some Asian source is factual? This rumor is apparently based on one Foxconn employee and people just take it as gospel truth?

Depends on who that one employee was doesn't it. If he was the guy responsible for handling the returns then it's probably an accurate number. If it was the janitor then probably not. I would tend to believe that the returns rate is quite high given all the problems initially reported with iPhone 5 units. Given that those reports seemed to have quietened down of late I suspect that Apple have been more vigorous in spotting and returning defective units to avoid a lot of unhappy customers.
 
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