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I'll install Safari technology preview tomorrow at work... see if it's better. Thank you for suggesting it :)

In all fairness, I used to use Safari, then if something didn't work I would check Chrome, if that didn't work 100% EVERY TIME FireFox came thru in the end, EVERY TIME (except for "requires IE sites").

So I just said screw this, I am going to use Safari Technology Preview, and it's been about a 3 months, and it's been pretty bulletproof. One thing was pop-up dialogs with a "Close" button or something, and Safari never could fix that, namely BestBuy.com, Chrome works on those, but so does Tech Preview...so...
 
I've been using Purple Safari (Safari Technology Preview) as my default browser since it came out. It's been very solid in my experience. I do keep Chrome installed on my machine, but it's very rare that I have to go into Chrome because of a Safari problem.
 
Regarding names, I think the most 'California' name right now would be "macOS Drought or Flood? You Decide"
 
Regarding names, I think the most 'California' name right now would be "macOS Drought or Flood? You Decide"
Not quite a name of something like a place or landmark or something similar to that.
 
Not quite a name of something like a place or landmark or something similar to that.
You didn't get my joke...

I dont mean a choice between Flood and Drought, but rather the entire thing as I wrote it:

MacOS Flood or Drought? You Decide.

...given California's problem with both current flooding and the long term ongoing drought ;)
 
You didn't get my joke...

I dont mean a choice between Flood and Drought, but rather the entire thing as I wrote it:

MacOS Flood or Drought? You Decide.

...given California's problem with both current flooding and the long term ongoing drought ;)
I picked up on the "joke", just pointed out that's not quite how macOS names appear to work.
 
I literally just had to format a disk, disk utility failed, terminal worked fine. Good example.
I do agree with you, but don't expect it to get better again, apple does not want you to do much more with it.
For instance, it used to be easy to see invisible disks like the recovery disks, but I don't think Apple wants you to fiddle with this.
Out to the terminal it is... and I'm sure someone will make a great disk utility
 
Version 10.13? You gotta go with Diablo.
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IMO, hopefully not. I know a fair chunk of us think we want this but think it through: do we want to dummy down MacOS to be compatible with what iDevices can do or complicate iOS to better fit what whole computers can do? Full unification would involve such compromises. I know some of us look at Surface and think a Mac version of that is what we want but chat with people who really use Surface and see if they think duality built in is as great as spun in marketing focused on very select benefits.


Thats just stupid, they're literally already "unified" into the Core Apple OS (kernel, frameworks, etc)
The only real difference is the name.
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Must be an American thing. An OS called Diablo would attract a lot of people in other parts of the world -- it sure as hell sounds a lot better in my ears than "Mavericks", "Yosemite", "El Capitan" or "Sierra". When Apple dropped the big cat names, the platform lost a lot of its attraction.


That has nothing to do with America, the person you're responding to is just old and out of touch.
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Sierra is the best yet: many, though not all, of the bugs that I have reported have been fixed.

Same, the bug I found in Preview about saving PDFs with something in the search bar was fixed in the OG release.

I was honestly surprised how fast Apple can fix bugs when they give a **** about them.
[doublepost=1495985159][/doublepost]The only real problem with Safari is the memory usage, which is due to using endless inheritance, which is why that kind of object oriented programming blows.
 
Must be an American thing. An OS called Diablo would attract a lot of people in other parts of the world -- it sure as hell sounds a lot better in my ears than "Mavericks", "Yosemite", "El Capitan" or "Sierra". When Apple dropped the big cat names, the platform lost a lot of its attraction.
Indeed it did!
But the cat names aren't to blame.
 
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The only real problem with Safari is the memory usage, which is due to using endless inheritance, which is why that kind of object oriented programming blows.

What browser has significantly less memory use than Safari due to a different programming model?
 
Thats just stupid, they're literally already "unified" into the Core Apple OS (kernel, frameworks, etc) The only real difference is the name..

No, but points for big imagination.

They do share some core elements. But above that core are many customizations for mouse & keyboard vs. touch and all the related functionality that makes one work well on traditional computers and the other work well on iDevices. It's definitely NOT a matter of just changing a name.
 
No, but points for big imagination.

They do share some core elements. But above that core are many customizations for mouse & keyboard vs. touch and all the related functionality that makes one work well on traditional computers and the other work well on iDevices. It's definitely NOT a matter of just changing a name.

they use the same base OS (Darwin/XNU) and the same frameworks.

Literally the only difference is that they ship CocoaTouch with iOS, and Cocoa with MacOS.
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What browser has significantly less memory use than Safari due to a different programming model?

What does "programming model" even mean in this context?

Safari and WebKit use a **** ton of RAM because they aren't optimized, for instance, using uint64_t/int64_t when there won't be 18 quintillion of X for the next century.

For example, the TabCounter, there's no computer on earth with anywhere near 18 quintillion tabs going in a single session, not even 4.2 billion; a 64 bit, or even 32 bit tab counter is way too high.

A much more reasonable limit would be 16 bit, which could hold up to 65536 tabs, and look at that, we've shrunk the memory consumption by 3/4rds.

That **** adds up, especially when you have classes inheriting from classes that inherit from others classes that inherit from yet other classes.

They're bringing a whole lot of baggage they don't need, just because the devs are lazy.

But what about backwards compatibility I hear you ask over the internet with my super ears.

The entire purpose of keeping struct/class definitions private, is so you can change these things as you need, without affecting anything that utilizes it.

No plain ass tab, should require half a gig of ram, period. it's just ridiculous.
 
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they use the same base OS (Darwin/XNU) and the same frameworks. Literally the only difference is that they ship CocoaTouch with iOS, and Cocoa with MacOS.

Believe what you wish. Apple loves $$$$$$$ seemingly more so than ever before. If it's so easy as just basically flipping a switch as you imply, they've had a direct competitor to Surface Pro and similar since the beginning. Why not offer that as a "pro" option at a "pro" price? Lots of people on this site have expressed interest at full OS X (now macOS) running on iDevices. It appears there are many buyers ready to give Apple lots of $$$$$$. So what's the holdup if it's so very easy to do?

Note too there is a whole world of "jailbroken" iDevices. If running macOS on an iDevice is as easy as you imply, why hasn't the jailbreakers merged "what's missing" with iOS to deliver it that way? It would make jailbreaking much more popular... and since Apple seems reluctant to deliver that, there's probably a nice bounty in it for the jailbreaking coders. I'm sure they like $$$$$$$$ too.

So again, I appreciate your imagination. I pretty much don't believe it's as easy as you imply... else we'd already have that option one (sanctioned) way or the other. One party and/or the other would want the dollars enough to make it happen if it was so easy.
 
Believe what you wish. Apple loves $$$$$$$ seemingly more so than ever before. If it's so easy as just basically flipping a switch as you imply, they've had a direct competitor to Surface Pro and similar since the beginning. Why not offer that as a "pro" option at a "pro" price? Lots of people on this site have expressed interest at full OS X (now macOS) running on iDevices. It appears there are many buyers ready to give Apple lots of $$$$$$. So what's the holdup if it's so very easy to do?

Note too there is a whole world of "jailbroken" iDevices. If running macOS on an iDevice is as easy as you imply, why hasn't the jailbreakers merged "what's missing" with iOS to deliver it that way? It would make jailbreaking much more popular... and since Apple seems reluctant to deliver that, there's probably a nice bounty in it for the jailbreaking coders. I'm sure they like $$$$$$$$ too.

So again, I appreciate your imagination. I pretty much don't believe it's as easy as you imply... else we'd already have that option one (sanctioned) way or the other. One party and/or the other would want the dollars enough to make it happen if it was so easy.

It's never been about how easy it is to change a few build scripts, it's always been about the form factor style of interaction.

Apple has chosen to not go with that.

I don't understand what made you think it was technical in the first place?

You can be as condescending as you want and refuse to listen to me, but I'm a programmer and believe it or not, I've poked around inside Darwin, and MacOS/iOS before.

Literally just look in /System/Frameworks and /System/PrivateFrameworks.

It's all there, all of it.

I just love when some rando that has absolutely no idea about programming, it, or really even using a computer beyond typing and using a mouse/trackpad tries telling me how it all works. absolutely ****ing fantastic how much the dunning-kruger effect affects the people with the least knowledge on any topic
 
Who's being condescending (and you may want to look up the definition and then re-read your last paragraph)?

You originally quoted a post I made about hoping they would NOT merge macOS and iOS...

Thats just stupid, they're literally already "unified" into the Core Apple OS (kernel, frameworks, etc)

...implying that my hope- my own OPINION- is "just stupid" and then implying how simple it would be to make macOS run on iDevices...

The only real difference is the name.

I'm a programmer too and know about this myself. If it's so easy fellow programmer, do it. Put it out as your own solution for jailbreakers and make yourself a lot of money. If it runs very well, I'll buy it from you myself.

Otherwise (and to modestly paraphrase you)...

I just love when some rando programmer can imply something is so simple to implement and yet Apple and/or Jailbreakers refuse to do so and collect all that revenue they could make. If it's so simple and your programming skills are there, make it happen. There's likely lots of dollars in a macOS "surface pro" implementation on iDevice hardware. Show us. Some of us will beat a path to your door to give you money for a good implementation of macOS running on iDevices.

Else, I'll respect that you believe it is as easy as you seem to believe. But I won't believe the same myself. Please though, prove yourself right. There are many ready to spend money on exactly that. Apparently per you, that would be very easy money to make. Make it.
 
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they use the same base OS (Darwin/XNU) and the same frameworks.

Literally the only difference is that they ship CocoaTouch with iOS, and Cocoa with MacOS.

Which is effectively a massive difference. One relies on touch input, the other on a pointer.

What does "programming model" even mean in this context?

I don't know. You're the one who brought up spurious claims about OOP.

Safari and WebKit use a **** ton of RAM because they aren't optimized, for instance, using uint64_t/int64_t when there won't be 18 quintillion of X for the next century.

Interesting. You should start a layout engine, seeing as you know so much about it.

No plain ass tab, should require half a gig of ram, period. it's just ridiculous.

And yet neither Apple's nor Google's nor Mozilla's nor Microsoft's teams have been able to do better.
 
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