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Apple Reveals First Public Sign of macOS 10.13
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Thanks - that at least gives an idea of what we're looking at. The way it is now, you can see the trend is up, but is it up from 5 users to 20 users? 50 users to 150 users? Knowing a ballpark at least makes the graph more useful.
No terminal, no Xcode, no file system, no user accounts, no root access, no disk utility, no disk partitions, no support for external storage like flash drives, it can't run software not signed by apple, no Vulcan (wat), no background processes unless its for music or made by apple, no custom drivers, no view source option in safari, the arrow on the iPad keyboard don't actually work as arrow keys, there are no professional level graphics apps i.e. no Maya, Blender, Photoshop, After Effects, and no compilers, no AppleScript, no Python, no automator, no automation capabilities what so ever, no debuggers, no version control unless an app specifically supports it (which is never), no way to monitor cpu or ram usage, and no escape key.
That being said it has pretty good Emoji support so everything is all good.
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I can't see that really simplifying things. Dumbed down? Sure, but no way of having the same level of power.
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macOS 10.13 ButteryFlutteryGoodness.
You heard it here first.
A year ago I went from my MacBook Pro OS 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) to MacBook Air 11" OS 10.11 El Capitan for Numbers and Pages work. The old tool bars offered a much richer menu of features than these newer ones, which can't be customized to even come close. For example, Pages on 10.6.8 showed font, point size, the 3 left-center-right justification where as now fonts and point size are listed in a separate Aa window and are so faint I can hardly read what is there. Justification is buried in the Format Document thing. And show/hide invisibles is in a tab menu, not in the View list. (My new Air 13" with Sierra offers nothing new as far as these features go).
There seems to be a flavor of laziness in Apple's approach to new versions of legacy software. Are long-time customers supposed to be too dumb to care about such things? Are their new customers too dumb to know what ease of use is missing?
Yes, this is a specific whine, and yes, I most emphatically like Apple equipment very much despite these irritations.
Who still uses El Capitan?Very well optimized and for me Siri is so useless along with other Sierra features. Also Sierra is not that fast on 4GB RAM machines..
Another question would be: What could be new in 10.13?
The way things are playing out, I think the odd numbered versions are the ones to go with.
- OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) -base
- OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - installed
- OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - skipped
- OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - current
- macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - skipped
When I'm not at work living in a Windows world my primary computing devices are iOS devices but I always kept a Mac Mini. My latest couldn't run Sierra but there's no way I'm going to upgrade until they either refresh the line or outright kill it in which case I'll go with an iMac.
Launchpad in itself does not dumb down the OS. Rather, it is Apple's choice to include only new stuff of that caliber as opposed to the heavy weight stuff other posts here have listed has serious omissions.
I'd like to hear this as well. People say it but I don't see it. If by dumbing down they mean that it's a more seem less design with iOS then ok I can agree but I don't see anything dumb about it.
10.13 should be a big release.
I've heard both of Apple's MacOS software engineers have been working on this one.
I've heard both of Apple's MacOS software engineers have been working on this one.
I may be wrong, but I have a feeling it will be called Big Sur. Sonoma would be fine too.
Because it gives you more time between update (some of us work on computers) and sometimes there are compatibiliy issue (once a year is a bit too much) and buying for examlpe parallels or other 3rd party app because the os is upgraded every year is ridiculous (not only Apple's fault).
Because you get a better os, instead of fixing and re fixing the .0 release every year you could have a better / more stable os in the long run.
Because os upgrade at this point are so minimal that ....do we really need an update every year?
Because "Major" updates might be fun, but they are breaking things most of the time.
Because once the new one is out the "old" os only get minor security fixes.
The real question should be why do we update every year? I would have been pretty happy with a more stable ElCapitan this year instead os Sierra (wich only added Siri) and getting a 2017 version of Sierra with Siri and the new filesystem for example...
Heck even Linux has a LTS version, if you stayed with ElCap you are on your own.....
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Which is fine until some software comes along that requires the newer OS. We got stung with that with Microsoft OneNote , happy on 10.9, there was a bug with the licensing part of OneNote, was fixed in the next version but Microsoft made it require 10.10
Knowing that MacRumors pours over its web logs to look for new versions of macOS and iOS, I like to visit the site with strange and unusual browsers. Yesterday, I browsed MR with Windows NT 4.0 running on a VM.
I think he just meant version name.
Inexplicably, tvOS is on the same version number as iOS (while watchOS is not). If macOS ticks over to 11.0 it means we'll have
iOS 11, macOS 11 and tvOS 11... and watchOS 4 in one year.
Stable at 10.13.1? Bloody hell you're optimistic. Change that 1 for a 5 and you might be a bit closer.
Some examples of missing/hidden/moved to Terminal functionality:
Disk Utility
System Preferences
Image Capture
Keychain
Photos (organisation capability is joke compared to iPhoto)
Console (good luck finding older log information or showing only relevant information)
Lack of features is the main reason I'm still using iWork 09, at this point I have lost hope that Apple would make Pages/Numbers/Keynote great again.
Another serious flaw is the new file format, I'm very sceptical what will happen if Apple decides to abandon iWork. Its anybody's guess if the files can be reverse engineered to work in other software because the file format is only partially documented...
Ha. I agree in general, but Mavericks and El Cap were pretty much ready from day 1 because they were mostly optimization / bug fix builds from the previous version.
Agreed. I'm just bitter and twisted because El Capitan was fine and I've had endless hassles since "upgrading" to Sierra. [sobs]
Understandable, I have avoided Sierra for this long so I won't bother with it.
I am curious to see if they start booting from APFS starting with 10.13 betas.
Well that is not doumbing down. Doumbing down would be removing every other way of launching an app and forcing you to use Launchpad. Adding Launchpad while not removing your existing workflow can not equal to a dumbing down.
Same with your second example because it is something it never could do, so it can not be a doumbing down.
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Perhaps you should comprehend the post you are replying to before engaging in your reply. Just a thought.
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