Apple Reveals How Many iPhones Were Running iOS 17 Before WWDC

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Adding stuff quietly doesn't make so many headlines as one large event that everyone must wait for a whole year.
Seems their marketing team are not as dumb as their ads look like

Apple makes announcements throughout the year, when releasing a new MacBook or iPad, etc. They could announce some new features during these events along the way. I know there are 17.X releases during the year, but they don’t do a good job at highlighting the new features, whereas they could at these device announcements.

 

[Hank001]

These adoption numbers are based on iPhones and iPads that transacted on the App Store on June 9, the day before WWDC began, according to Apple.

Awkward metric, measuring only on June 9th. I for one hardly ever visit the App Store. And I'm still on iOS16.0 (iPhone 14 Pro).

This seems to be Apple MO: they don't like the numbers so change the criteria to get higher numbers.

 

[supergt]

…that’s exactly what they’re doing by releasing features throughout the year in the .X updates. Have you not been paying attention?

We both know that's not what Apple does. They hold back features/improvements so they can "wow" everyone with the yearly release.

 

[NT1440]

We both know that's not what Apple does. They hold back features/improvements so they can "wow" everyone with the yearly release.

We both know that's not what Apple does. They hold back features/improvements so they can "wow" everyone with the yearly release.

About iOS 17 Updates - Apple Support

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop makes it...

support.apple.com

Weird, 17.1 brought the internet Airdrop abilities.

17.2 brought Spatial photos, Messages Catchup, etc

17.3 brought hotel Airplay, collaborative playlists, etc

Maybe, just maybe, focus your ire on reality (like Apple being tax cheats) instead of easily disproven assertions “we all know”?

They’ve been spreading out features in .X updates for years now.

 

[mr.datsun]

That's because it's currently the only way to get our phones to stop nagging us about updates.

 

[mikeppc225]

Now do the %age of people running it voluntarily. LOL Way too many people didnt want to update to it, but got the trick "unlock your phone" update.

 

[iHorseHead]

Certainly higher than the Windows 11 adoption rate.

Not the same thing, but I'm not going into an argument here.
First of all: Microsoft supports Windows 10 for ten years (more for businesses). Apple barely supports its operating systems. Windows 7 was more usable for many years, while Snow Leopard was already obsolete in 2015. Companies upgrade to Windows 11 when they buy / lease new PCs and I work in IT support, so I know that many companies generally lease PCs for like ~5-10 years and for example, I can't upgrade my work PC either. I'll have to wait till I get a new PC from work.

Apple forces users to upgrade. I wasn't able to really use Lion in 2015 either, because of lack of the security updates and many applications dropping support for Lion. Most apps that are released today still support Windows 10.
The iBook guy did a great video on this.

You were able to run much newer software on Windows XP than on Mac OS X Tiger. Apple also forces their users to buy new Macs. You can use a PC from 2010 today but you can't really use MacBook Pro mid 2010 anymore, without using patchers, but it runs Windows 10 perfectly and is perfectly up to date.

 

[Razorpit]

And here I was holding out on iOS 15 waiting for iOS 17 to be stable because iOS 16 was so buggy.

You weren’t the only one. 👍

 

[viktorhun]

Ha I don't believe that! Looks like purely marketing numbers for making fun of Android again.
How 'bout my OG iPad 1st gen, iPad Air 1 and 2, iPhone 4?
Those still work, I am pretty sure many people also have them lying around somewhere.
I don't believe everyone "shrinked" old devices with a press like in Apple's recent ad.
Also I am not planning to update my SE either, it is still on 16

I have it ipad air 1st with 85% battery and perfect work and the iphone SE

 

[AlexisV]

"iOS 17 adoption was not quite as high as iOS 16."

iPhone X wasn't supported.

Still using mine. Don't actually see any need to upgrade.

 

[lartola]

Since making updating to the most recent OS optional in iOS16, I'm wondering how that will affect adoption rate in the long run. 86% adoption rate for newer devices is still really good imo

Not much because the choice between downloading the latest OS or remaining in the previous and only downloading security updates is only available during the first couple of months after the latest OS release in september. After that, it’s just get the latest or nothing just like before iOS 16.

 

[SFjohn]

First time on this forum.

As one of the 77% who updated to iOS 17 this year, I'm happy to hear iOS 18 is coming, because since updating to iOS 17.5.1 a couple of weeks ago the battery life on my 1TB iPhone 13 Pro (with Battery life showing 100%) has crashed to the point where the device is no longer usable as a 'mobile' phone.

Hopefully, Apple will soon release some kind of interim update (17.5.2?) that fixes the issue, but for now I'm stuck with an expensive landline/paperweight.

I'm coming around to the conclusion that in future I will turn off ‘Automatic Updates' in my settings menu!

Sorry to hear that, my 13 Pro Max is doing really well with all day battery life for me…

 

[AlexisV]

Not the same thing, but I'm not going into an argument here.
First of all: Microsoft supports Windows 10 for ten years (more for businesses). Apple barely supports its operating systems. Windows 7 was more usable for many years, while Snow Leopard was already obsolete in 2015. Companies upgrade to Windows 11 when they buy / lease new PCs and I work in IT support, so I know that many companies generally lease PCs for like ~5-10 years and for example, I can't upgrade my work PC either. I'll have to wait till I get a new PC from work.

Apple forces users to upgrade. I wasn't able to really use Lion in 2015 either, because of lack of the security updates and many applications dropping support for Lion. Most apps that are released today still support Windows 10.
The iBook guy did a great video on this.

You were able to run much newer software on Windows XP than on Mac OS X Tiger. Apple also forces their users to buy new Macs. You can use a PC from 2010 today but you can't really use MacBook Pro mid 2010 anymore, without using patchers, but it runs Windows 10 perfectly and is perfectly up to date.

Every computer eventually has to be upgraded. That's the march of technology. Whether one manufacturer "forces" you to upgrade every 10 years and another every 15 years, well that's life. Change manufacturer.

 

[lartola]

…that’s exactly what they’re doing by releasing features throughout the year in the .X updates. Have you not been paying attention?

Then why the charade of announcing and releasing a new iOS/iPadOS/macOS/watchOS/tvOS version number every year? they should continue with the same number and .x updates until they have a more significant OS overhaul to release even if it means not having a wwdc and new iphones every f****ing single year. I am tired of seeing a new OS announced at wwdc every year in june and then half the features or more be postponed beyond the september release and for up to another 11 months because they weren’t ready to release.

 

[NT1440]

Not the same thing, but I'm not going into an argument here.
First of all: Microsoft supports Windows 10 for ten years (more for businesses). Apple barely supports its operating systems. Windows 7 was more usable for many years, while Snow Leopard was already obsolete in 2015. Companies upgrade to Windows 11 when they buy / lease new PCs and I work in IT support, so I know that many companies generally lease PCs for like ~5-10 years and for example, I can't upgrade my work PC either. I'll have to wait till I get a new PC from work.

Apple forces users to upgrade. I wasn't able to really use Lion in 2015 either, because of lack of the security updates and many applications dropping support for Lion. Most apps that are released today still support Windows 10.
The iBook guy did a great video on this.

You were able to run much newer software on Windows XP than on Mac OS X Tiger. Apple also forces their users to buy new Macs. You can use a PC from 2010 today but you can't really use MacBook Pro mid 2010 anymore, without using patchers, but it runs Windows 10 perfectly and is perfectly up to date.

What are you talking about?

My sister’s 2009 13” MBP still works fine. A client of mine finally upgrading from his 2012 15 MBP just last year. My 2015 13” MBP still runs fine despite not getting OS upgrades.

I know of of no company that leases *laptops* for 5-10 years. Maybe servers, but an 8 year old laptop is going to be horrendous. I’d expect something in stock that long has actually been purchased rather than leased. The norm in leasing is 3 years, I’ve seen 5, but I’ve never even been offered 7+ years.

MacOS went 64 bit only several years ago. That’s why the platform has moved forward.

Microsoft is now scrambling to get adoption of its ARM versions because x86 is a dead end for laptops. People are not going to buy machines that have way less battery life unless they have a very specific need for x86, which is a niche of a niche.

These kind of posts are infuriating because they’re clearly an example of “here’s my opinion, let me throw 4-5 things even tangentially related to it to try to browbeat my point across”.

 

[NT1440]

Then why the charade of announcing and releasing a new iOS/iPadOS/macOS/watchOS/tvOS version number every year? they should continue with the same number and .x updates until they have a more significant OS overhaul to release even if it means not having a wwdc and new iphones every f****ing single year. I am tired of seeing a new OS announced at wwdc every year in june and then half the features or more be postponed beyond the september release and for up to another 11 months because they weren’t ready to release.

It’s a naming convention…

If they’re doing *feature* releases throughout the year who gives a damn about the naming convention?

And what do you consider an OS update vs a feature update when *most new features rely on the frameworks and API’s that are part of the new OS*???

 

[iHorseHead]

I know of of no company that leases *laptops* for 5-10 years

I do, as I work in IT support. The US isn't the whole world. Also, not many companies in Europe even use Macs or iPhones. It's rather an American thing. The fact that you haven't been offered, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Even my school, which I went to back in 2018 had computers leased for 10 years. Most of them had 128GB of RAM and were amazingly fast.

My sister’s 2009 13” MBP still works fine.

The latest OS it officially supports is OS X El Capitan. The last security update it received was on July 9th 2018 (Security Update 2018-004)
The last update Windows 7 received was in 2020 (for companies that pay for the updates the last update will be in October 8, 2024).

Every PC from 2009 is able to run Windows 10, which means it has more up to date software, such as browsers etc. However, El Capitan is unusable. Not even Firefox will work on it, since it requires macOS 10.15, therefore using Windows PC from that era is safer nowadays than using a Mac, and in general should be more usable for basic tasks.

MacOS went 64 bit only several years ago. That’s why the platform has moved forward.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Doesn't excuse why Tiger is less usable than Windows XP and Panther and other releases are even in worse state.

Microsoft is now scrambling to get adoption of its ARM versions because x86 is a dead end for laptops

Microsoft already tried ARM before Apple. The very first surface was ARM based, but Microsoft can't force people to use ARM like Apple does, since Windows runs on all kinds of systems.
Microsoft already tried this back in 2012 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_(2012_tablet) ), which wasn't a success, because they couldn't get developers on board. It's not thanks to Apple in any way.

People are not going to buy machines that have way less battery life unless they have a very specific need for x86, which is a niche of a niche.

Most of the world uses Windows laptops, especially in Europe. There are many Windows laptops that have better battery life than M3 MacBook Air (Asus Zenbook 14) [1]

These kind of posts are infuriating because they’re clearly an example of “here’s my opinion, let me throw 4-5 things even tangentially related to it to try to browbeat my point across”.

You are absolutely correct. It is very unfair to compare iOS and Windows. They should've compared Android and iOS. Android is also starting to catch up. Lets see how much Samsung and Google keep their promises and if Pixels will receive updates for at least 7 years as promised by Google.

My 2015 13” MBP still runs fine despite not getting OS upgrades.

I'm assuming it's on Monterey and Monterey still receives security updates till this autumn, so it's completely fine. It's almost like running Windows 10. Monterey is still up to date and even if you're running Catalina, it's fine because you can get Firefox or Chrome on it, which are up to date. I think you entirely missed my point. It might be my fault, since English isn't my first language or you didn't read what I wrote. To get my point across, you should really try using Snow Leopard and Windows 7 today and see the difference and see which one is more usable. Also, even when Windows 10 will be unsupported there are many Linux distros that you can use

 

[NT1440]

I do, as I work in IT support. The US isn't the whole world. Also, not many companies in Europe even use Macs or iPhones. It's rather an American thing. The fact that you haven't been offered, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Even my school, which I went to back in 2018 had computers leased for 10 years. Most of them had 128GB of RAM and were amazingly fast.

The latest OS it officially supports is OS X El Capitan. The last security update it received was on July 9th 2018 (Security Update 2018-004)
The last update Windows 7 received was in 2020 (for companies that pay for the updates the last update will be in October 8, 2024).

Every PC from 2009 is able to run Windows 10, which means it has more up to date software, such as browsers etc. However, El Capitan is unusable. Not even Firefox will work on it, since it requires macOS 10.15, therefore using Windows PC from that era is safer nowadays than using a Mac, and in general should be more usable for basic tasks.


That makes no sense whatsoever. Doesn't excuse why Tiger is less usable than Windows XP and Panther and other releases are even in worse state.


Microsoft already tried ARM before Apple. The very first surface was ARM based, but Microsoft can't force people to use ARM like Apple does, since Windows runs on all kinds of systems.
Microsoft already tried this back in 2012 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_(2012_tablet) ), which wasn't a success, because they couldn't get developers on board. It's not thanks to Apple in any way.


Most of the world uses Windows laptops, especially in Europe. There are many Windows laptops that have better battery life than M3 MacBook Air (Asus Zenbook 14) [1]


You are absolutely correct. It is very unfair to compare iOS and Windows. They should've compared Android and iOS. Android is also starting to catch up. Lets see how much Samsung and Google keep their promises and if Pixels will receive updates for at least 7 years as promised by Google.


I'm assuming it's on Monterey and Monterey still receives security updates till this autumn, so it's completely fine. It's almost like running Windows 10. Monterey is still up to date and even if you're running Catalina, it's fine because you can get Firefox or Chrome on it, which are up to date. I think you entirely missed my point. It might be my fault, since English isn't my first language or you didn't read what I wrote. To get my point across, you should really try using Snow Leopard and Windows 7 today and see the difference and see which one is more usable. Also, even when Windows 10 will be unsupported there are many Linux distros that you can use

My apologies, I forget sometimes that while this forum is very US centric, computer usage in the rest of the world can be very different.

 

[szw-mapple fan]

Not surprising to me considering iOS 17 is buggier compared to iOS 16

It's also quite possible this is because of the drop in iPhone shipments this year, so there are less devices shipping with 17 out there.

 

[danny842003]

Awkward metric, measuring only on June 9th. I for one hardly ever visit the App Store. And I'm still on iOS16.0 (iPhone 14 Pro).

This seems to be Apple MO: they don't like the numbers so change the criteria to get higher numbers.

You have to define it somewhere. Is an iPhone that was made 10 years ago sits in a draw and is never turned on representative of anything?
Getting the figures for one day an extrapolating out isn’t the worst way of doing it. I’m on 17 and it’s not like I’m using the App Store daily either.

 

[JosephAW]

Would be nice if Apple would maintain iOS 17 for another year for those that do not want to upgrade to Apple intelligence but of course they will stop supporting iOS 17 as soon as they release iOS 18.

 

[JosephAW]

Still living in iOS/iPadOS 16 land. In my youth I would have been at the forefront of software upgrades (maybe even ambitious enough for betas). But these days I treasure stability and usually don't upgrade to the next version of iOS/iPadOS until just before the latest release, so I'm always one version behind. I'll probably make the jump after 17.6 drops lol.

I’ve run into several people wishing they could go back to iOS 16. At the end it was pretty stable and iOS 17 finally come out of beta mode with 17.5.1 and they’re starting to fix some of the problems introduced last year.

 

[JosephAW]

Would be interested to see a statistic of devices that can run iOS 17 but users decided to stay on iOS 16

 

[Jim Lahey]

Still rolling iOS16 and honestly even that was probably a bridge too far. Intend never to update until apps stop working and then I'll consider something like a Graphene Android phone.

 

[Jim Lahey]

Would be interested to see a statistic of devices that can run iOS 17 but users decided to stay on iOS 16

The most egregious part of this scenario, unless I'm much mistaken, is that if you make an informed choice not to update to iOS 17 on a device that is eligible to receive it, you are then denied the opportunity to update to the latest point versions of iOS 16. Security 🤦‍♂️