Apple Reveals 'macOS High Sierra' With APFS, Metal 2, and Refinements to Safari and Other Apps

[Stella]

Backing up your storage ( which I have 400gb ) to 'the cloud' is impractical- it's slow and will blow passed many people's monthly bandwidth allowance.

Also, security and reliability issues too.

Apple need to support local backups.

I doubt it. I bet they will be announcing a new cloud-based backup system which takes advantage of new APFS features.

 

[djeeyore25]

Meh. I haven't noticed much difference between Sierra and High Sierra in the hour or so I've been trying it out. I'll have to keep digging.

 

[Ener Ji]

Backing up your storage ( which I have 400gb ) to 'the cloud' is impractical- it's slow and will blow passed many people's monthly bandwidth allowance.

Also, security and reliability issues too.

Apple need to support local backups.

It should be easy to use APFS's snapshot and clone features to perform local backups from the command line. If Apple chooses not to implement a GUI to access those features, then I'm sure third-party developers will step in with software programs that will harness APFS's new backup features.

 

[NapoleonIV]

Did anyone else notice how on the apple website they did not call it OS 10.13? Just macOS High Sierra.

 

[steve333]

I wanted to quit using icloud but when I try it says everything on my computer that's also in icloud would be trashed. Doesn't make sense to me

 

[djeeyore25]

Will it be required to do a fresh install of macOS to format the SSD to APFS?

It asks before installing High Sierra if you want to convert to APFS, so a fresh install is not required.

 

[inarush]

I wonder if my 2012 13" Macbook Pro will be supported by High Sierra? Looking forward particularly to the Photos update.

*EDIT* - Yes, my 2012 Macbook Pro will be supported! Actually the support list is the same as Sierra's: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/anything-that-can-run-macos-sierra-can-also-run-macos-xxx/

 

[MetalCores]

Kudos on blocking nasty autoplays, saving the web.

Even more kudos on blocking ad tracking

 

[sudo1996]

Sounds like a Snow Leopard type upgrade! I think the Mac fans (including myself) should be happy about this WWDC, except that it seems the Mac mini is dead.

Hopefully a High Sierra hack will be coming soon for my Mac Pro. For once I'm excited about the new OS.
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https://developer.apple.com/development-kit/external-graphics/
"macOS High Sierra brings support for external graphics processors to the Mac for the first time."

It's very cool, but once again they're placing all their bets on AMD with this OpenGL/CL stuff that I'm afraid will lose to Nvidia's CUDA and Microsoft's DirectX. And Apple has also been doing a horrible job keeping OpenGL up to date in OS X, so they've gotta change that.
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I wanted to quit using icloud but when I try it says everything on my computer that's also in icloud would be trashed. Doesn't make sense to me

Exactly why I don't use iCloud with Photos and never did. With that kind of warning being the first thing I ever see, there's no way.
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H.265 FINALLY.

HALLELUJAH.

I'm sure the forum will be pleased to hear that one of my main gripes is now resolved and I will shut up about it!

SWEET!

Glassed Silver:mac

Yeah, I specifically remember your complaints. Good that all the Mac apps will support it now, but I'm still sticking with VLC eternally for playing videos.

 

[StyxMaker]

They did have Snow Leopard (that followed Leopard) and Mountain Lion (that followed lion Lion).

They used Mountain Lion three times. Mountain Lion, Puma, and Cougar are all the same animal.

 

[MH01]

This whole event got saved with egpu announcement ......as long as it's compatible with TB2, and the existing Mac Pro.....

This is huge potentially. If it's just on the new TB3 gear.....rubbish...

 

[MH01]

It's official best keynote ever. I got egpu support! My 2013 Mac Pro no longer sucks !

 

[Fatboy71]

Would have expected the News app to come to the Mac, long overdue in my opinion. Overall, pretty underwhelming. Underwhelming is the word I would use to sum up the whole Keynote.

iOS 11 has to be one of the laziest iOS updates I can remember. With the iPhone and iOS been 10 years old this year. You would have expected at least for iOS to have had a redesign/fresh look. Its the same look since iOS 7.

 

[ChrisA]

This whole event got saved with egpu announcement ......as long as it's compatible with TB2, and the existing Mac Pro.....

This is huge potentially. If it's just on the new TB3 gear.....rubbish...

Yes. This is good news. But i wonder what the kit costs? Today I've got a PC with an NVidea GPU inside that I access with SSH. Kind of the something, an external GPU

The problem is that VERY few people program machine learning at the lowest level they use a library like Tensorflow to Teano or Keras and THOSE need to be changed to use Apple's new eGPU kit. That is not so likely to happen any time soon if ever.

What Apple REALLY NEEDS is a "Mac", not an iMac or MacBook or MacMini. Just a basic Mac with some card slots so users can drop in a GTX1080 or even a couple of them. The ML libraries are already set up to use CUDA

This work is mostly being do on Linux not because Linux is free but because the work is easier to do on Linux. Apple could change this and make the Mac the preferred platform.

It depends on if the eGPU kit is affordable and gets sold in large numbers

 

[MH01]

Yes. This is good news. But i wonder what the kit costs? Today I've got a PC with an NVidea GPU inside that I access with SSH. Kind of the something, an external GPU

The problem is that VERY few people program machine learning at the lowest level they use a library like Tensorflow to Teano or Keras and THOSE need to be changed to use Apple's new eGPU kit. That is not so likely to happen any time soon if ever.

What Apple REALLY NEEDS is a "Mac", not an iMac or MacBook or MacMini. Just a basic Mac with some card slots so users can drop in a GTX1080 or even a couple of them. The ML libraries are already set up to use CUDA

This work is mostly being do on Linux not because Linux is free but because the work is easier to do on Linux. Apple could change this and make the Mac the preferred platform.

It depends on if the eGPU kit is affordable and gets sold in large numbers

There are a number of kits out there, I use a Razer core. And with yesterdays news if I can hook that up to my Mac Pro 2013, with a GTX 1080ti, looking good again.

The core works flawlessly with my Intel Skull Canyon, really could not wait for a proper mini, the skull canyon kills it, and with a core attached it kill my Mac Pro....imac etc etc.

I agree. Apple needs a simple desktop.

 

[Stella]

It should be easy to use APFS's snapshot and clone features to perform local backups from the command line. If Apple chooses not to implement a GUI to access those features, then I'm sure third-party developers will step in with software programs that will harness APFS's new backup features.

Yes a command line would provide an API for third parties. But - Apple should also be able to support existing time capsules as well. the backup doesn't need to be in the same format either. It's not as though you'll be booting from it.

 

[CptnJustc]

Um, really? That's it?

wow great i can hardly wait... yay... sigh

I thought Macs were going to be given more attention now? Guess not.

APFS (and presumably Metal 2, FWIW) at least represents a looooooot of under-the-hood work.

 

[n-evo]

You would have expected at least for iOS to have had a redesign/fresh look. Its the same look since iOS 7.

Actually, no I wouldn't have. At this point there's really no reason for iOS and macOS to receive a redesigned interface.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

I wonder what the published list of arbitrarily unsupported machines will include this time.

Will I have to junk another $3500 Mac Pro for the replacement that doesn't exist?

 

[Ener Ji]

Actually, no I wouldn't have. At this point there's really no reason for iOS and macOS to receive a redesigned interface.

iOS badly needs a redesigned notification center. Android's notification system is widely considered to be superior.

 

[Martyimac]

Should I assume High Sierra won't work on a 2011 Mac Mini?

Finally, an answer, https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/anything-that-can-run-macos-sierra-can-also-run-macos-xxx/
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I wonder what the published list of arbitrarily unsupported machines will include this time.

Will I have to junk another $3500 Mac Pro for the replacement that doesn't exist?

https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/anything-that-can-run-macos-sierra-can-also-run-macos-xxx/

 

[MrNomNoms]

I wonder what the published list of arbitrarily unsupported machines will include this time.

Will I have to junk another $3500 Mac Pro for the replacement that doesn't exist?

Sigh, it has already been stated that existing machine that supported by Sierra are also supported by High Sierra - if you're going to troll and lay flame bait then you really need to be a lot more effort into your game. Btw, stop bolding your whole post - it looks stupid and misses the point of what bold is supposed to be used for.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

That wallpaper is nice.

 

[Martyimac]

Sigh, it has already been stated that existing machine that supported by Sierra are also supported by High Sierra - if you're going to troll and lay flame bait then you really need to be a lot more effort into your game. Btw, stop bolding your whole post - it looks stupid and misses the point of what bold is supposed to be used for.

Have you not had your coffee yet this morning?

 

[MrNomNoms]

Have you not had your coffee yet this morning?

No, I just have a low tolerance for people who arrogantly parade their ignorance as if it were insightful knowledge.