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Apple Reveals 'Vision Pro' Headset and visionOS

beanbaguk said:
Aside from the fact that most families have 1-2 kids (I have one), and that would mean a $10,500 investment (and then how do you invite guests to watch a movie!?!?), how dystopian is it where we've got to a point where we sit together, isolated from one another with headsets on, and the people we look at next to each other are CGI.
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Isn't that already what is happening in households these days? Everyone in the family has their own smartphone, and they can be seated at the same table but each be doing their own stuff.
 
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Mr Rib said:
As a working professional, this is spot on. In design / drawing / creating, you need perfect control - hence there will be no better controller than a pen/stylus/mouse. And some additional hardware like color correction consoles etc - but that's for very particular applications.
I have no idea how this could help in a surgery. You need to be able to look at a screen during a surgery, sure, but you need perfect, unobstructed vision to actually perform the surgery (either that or you look into microscope lens if it's something requiring precision like neurosurgeons do - tools they have will never be an everyday tool that happens to be of help during a surgery).

The biggest problem of this device is that it is kind of useless. It doesnt address any real life problem / is not a solution to one or productivity boost in any way. I think they need to create some artificial problems to address with this device before 2024 - because clearly at this point they are clueless what it's for...
It's basically a gadget - and doesn't even have a big entertainment value with Apple not being in the game dev market.
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Strange replies from professionals. You have your hand and it doesn't really matter if it holds a mouse, a pen or just glides in space. The biggest advantage to 3D modelling like that is you can actually model and view in 3D space at the same time as opposed to 2D input of a mouse or pen while looking at a screen. You know like a real thing.

Surgery. Have you guys heard of remote surgery or doing something internally via video feed with help of a tiny camera inside a patient's body? With AR you could perform a surgery and view an x-rayed body. All patient's vital functions could be overlaid on their body for the surgeon to see.

C'mon, just have some imagination!
 
culex said:
I don't get it. Nice hardware, but most examples are just flat 2D-screens in space, the most boring experience in VR/AR. What's the killer app? And btw no controllers means no easy ports of existing games...
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Playstation and xbox controllers are compatible allready ... so I guess compatibility with other VR controllers if needed isn't a big stretch. What you consider the most boring experience, others might consider a usefull application... there are other cheaper alternatives for just VR and gaming.
 
bigchrisfgb said:
Like I said, for a task that you can already do.
I’m not sure about the USA market, but here in the U.K. you can get a very good and big TV/surround sound for £3,500. It probably will last longer than an Apple Vision headset, and your other family members and friends can see it as well.
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The caveat is that said entertainment system is typically confined to your living room, while this headset can be used anywhere. I do agree with you on the longevity though - the subwoofers my dad purchased more than 20 years ago are still working and going strong in my house, even through we don't really use them much these days, but at least they are there.
 
Abazigal said:
...quoted something about a big TV
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Watching a movie on the Quest 2 or any other VR headset is... well... crappy? Lets ignore price and list off the problems and hope this is another step towards that:

* Large, heavy, uncomfortable
* You can see the pixels
* Extremely limited field of vision. It's like watching TV whilst looking through a set of binoculars

The design and improved screens should help with the first two. Apple claim to have improved the latter via a set of lenses, so that will be interesting...

I hope this really is a marked improvement on the above. Once such improvements fall down to a more affordable price range $1000/2000? (hopefully further than that!) price range, VR _might_ start to take off
 
Abazigal said:
Isn't that already what is happening in households these days? Everyone in the family has their own smartphone, and they can be seated at the same table but each be doing their own stuff.
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No. It's incredibly different.

In 1991, I was gifted a GameBoy for my 9th birthday from my parents. The following year, my sister was gifted a Sega Game Gear. We used them often and my dad always had laptops from the mid-90's all the way through the decades until now. In fact, at school I had a Palm Pilot (1998), and I've always had portable devices. I had an iPhone since the 3GS, and an iPod touch before that.

The key difference however between all these devices, the iPhones and the tablets today, is the fact that we are still humanly connected. You can still look in somebody's eyes and exchange real human emotions. You can exchange openly with another person and completely eliminate the device from your hands at any time. You are still engaged in the real world.

The Vision Pro, eliminates all this and completely disconnects us from a true reality into a warped and dystopian one. Imagine an outsider looking at an entire family with headsets on. It's positively weird. You are engaging with a CGI selfie and what you are looking into is completely CGI rendered. Aside from being abhorrently expensive, I don't think people will want this.

I could, however, be very, very wrong. I hope I'm not.
 
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beanbaguk said:
No. It's incredibly different.

In 1991, I was gifted a GameBoy for my 9th birthday from my parents. The following year, my sister was gifted a Sega Game Gear. We used them often and my dad always had laptops from the mid-90's all the way through the decades until now. In fact, at school I had a Palm Pilot (1998), and I've always had portable devices. I had an iPhone since the 3GS, and an iPod touch before that.

The key difference however between all these devices, the iPhones and the tablets today, is the fact that we are still humanly connected. You can still look in somebody's eyes and exchange real human emotions. You can exchange openly with another person and completely eliminate the device from your hands at any time. You are still engaged in the real world.

The Vision Pro, eliminates all this and completely disconnects us from a true reality into a warped and dystopian one. Imagine an outsider looking at an entire family with headsets on. It's positively weird. You are engaging with a CGI selfie and what you are looking into is completely CGI rendered. Aside from being abhorrently expensive, I don't think people will want this.

I could, however, be very, very wrong. I hope I'm not.
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I think you are totally correct, and it sounds pretty bleak if the end goal is to have households sat in isolation or communicating to each other with CGI generated characters. My daughters have iPads and we limit their time on those as it can be difficult to get responses from them when immersed in Roblox or whatever they are doing. VR sounds even worse and anti-social in this sort of use case IMO. I think it’s more of an occasional entertainment activity. Some have suggested using these to work with instead of using monitors, but how depressing would that be?

These would be awesome for watching live sport for an immersive experience or when watching films maybe, but we are many years off this being a commonly used device in the average home IMO.
 
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There is a video on YouTube of a reporter who has been following VR/AR for ten years from CNET. He has used the Vision Pro. He basically says his mind was blown and apple is multiple steps beyond everyone and the experience was unlike anything he had done before. Apple may have nailed it. Still way too expensive for me but impressive.
 
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Allen_Wentz said:
Did you even watch the video? Suggesting that it is about playing video games alone is absurd.
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Playing video games is one of the VP's features, and that has already been done. Many of the other features have already been done as well. Again, this isn't new tech. I never said it can only be used for playing video games. Reading comprehension is key here, and comprehending what I typed would equate to around a fifth grade level.
 
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beanbaguk said:
No. It's incredibly different.

In 1991, I was gifted a GameBoy for my 9th birthday from my parents. The following year, my sister was gifted a Sega Game Gear. We used them often and my dad always had laptops from the mid-90's all the way through the decades until now. In fact, at school I had a Palm Pilot (1998), and I've always had portable devices. I had an iPhone since the 3GS, and an iPod touch before that.

The key difference however between all these devices, the iPhones and the tablets today, is the fact that we are still humanly connected. You can still look in somebody's eyes and exchange real human emotions. You can exchange openly with another person and completely eliminate the device from your hands at any time. You are still engaged in the real world.

The Vision Pro, eliminates all this and completely disconnects us from a true reality into a warped and dystopian one. Imagine an outsider looking at an entire family with headsets on. It's positively weird. You are engaging with a CGI selfie and what you are looking into is completely CGI rendered. Aside from being abhorrently expensive, I don't think people will want this.

I could, however, be very, very wrong. I hope I'm not.
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Agreed! Plus, sharing. You can easily point to a laptop/iPhone/iPad screen to someone sitting next to you ("Hey, look at this.") How would I 'point' to something I'm looking at in these things?

Great try Apple. The execution looks flawless. But the premise was faulty.
 
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snowatom said:
I have questions

1. Who is the target group ? (those who want it, can't afford it, those who can afford it, don't want it)
2. What is the key-feature (use case) for this product ?

In its current state The product will not succeed. If it is 40% of the price and the hardware is smaller (not something that's doable right now), then it will sell like hotcakes.

I know a few who have bought the Oculus Quest, and when they have walked the line on the board above skyscrapers, it ends up on the shelf collecting dust.

As of right now, it's purely gimmick, nothing that this product can do, is simpler to do, than already available on much cheaper products.

Remember the 3D flatscreens ?, they only needed lightweight glasses, and nobody uses it anymore. Why?, because reasons :p
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This is gonna sell like bonkers to the early adopter crowd. If they get it down to the size of wrap around sunglasses or swimming eye goggles over time, it will sell to the rest of us. IMO.
 
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I’m curious to hear how the headset handles use in dark or poorly lit rooms since it’s using cameras to display the space around you.

Are you going to have to see high ISO noise around you or is everything going to be flattened and compressed by noise reduction?
 
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I have a stupid question... but my instinct is that this device could eventually have benefits, especially in professions or for certain types of people. For example... I have very bad nighttime anxiety... I wonder if I could control the visual and auditory environment around me, would it create a feeling like I'm in a more calm place? Could doctors better show their patients immersive 3d models of what's going on with their knee pain or hips? Could physics teachers better show their students experiments in the lab?

I know the price and newness make those above scenarios impossible now but 5 years from now? Many schools now use Ipads in their learning processes and I don't think 10 years ago we envisioned that. In 10 years will these googles be a more affordable, common technology to increase learning? What do you think?

I don't know but I could see it. I never felt that way about the Google glasses and Meta is evil.
 
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