I'll take a relaxed stoner on the sidewalks over some aggressive drunkards any time of the day, any day of the week.
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Apple Reverses Course, Allows Marijuana Apps in Marijuana-Legal States [Updated]
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I'll take a relaxed stoner on the sidewalks over some aggressive drunkards any time of the day, any day of the week.
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Alcohol is far more dangerous, yet there's no shortage of cocktail/drinking/bar apps. And I don't see anyone complaining.
I find the whole concept of adults policing other adults relative to marijuana...incredibly offensive. Someone doesn't approve of it so that means means nobody else can have it? WTH? Think about it...and try not to get angry.
On the other hand...glad I live in WA. Not pass me the chips!!!
On the other hand...glad I live in WA. Not pass me the chips!!!
It's like in kindergarten, where the group of kids decide the yellow shovel is lame, then another kid pops up, picks up the yellow shovel and everyone laughs at him for not conforming.
It's amazing how people are willingly giving away their freedoms, especially of course when they "don't need that freedom anyways".
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Actually in many European countries it's illegal but decriminalised and not sanctioned, at least for "personal use". Basically in these countries it's de-facto legal but still de-jure illegal, likely due to political reasons.
The war on drugs can only be described as an epic failure: there are countless of studies highlighting its overall ineffectiveness and negative effects and detailing how money could be invested in much more effective policies.
The 180° turn that's happening now in the US won't be good either.
They are just not getting it ...
Agreed. The only real purpose in perpetuating the war on drugs is money: money to fund the DEA, money for the prison industry, money from civil asset forfeiture to pad local police departments, and money from the pharmaceutical industry to politicians to keep it going.
Drug abuse is a health issue, not a criminal justice issue. With respect to marijuana, the truth is now available to anyone with an internet connection. The last gasp of "reefer madness" people are starting to die off. When marijuana finally becomes legal everywhere, aside from a few prohibitionists' heads exploding, the world will still turn.
From my experience americans have a cultural problem with moderation.
Once THC is freely available there will be an exorbitant amount of abuse going on.
This is the worst time in history to make cannabis a mainstream drug.
It clouds judgement, disturbs the human consciousness and makes people subservient to authority. The worst part is that it is a deceptive drug, because adverse effects are subtle and not as apparent, and immediately visible as they are with other narcotics.
I believe that a legalization will lead to a rise in consumption (in the USA). A rise in consumption of any drug is bad. Americans are already abusing pharmaceutical drugs like crazy and now they are adding another one.
Why not start propagating a sober lifestyle? Why not keep a clear head? There is nothing good about drugs.
+1 for providing an argument. As for that argument, drug use is in full effect regardless of legality. Having it illegal has done practically nothing to slow it's use down. The mentality that being legal will magically make everyone start using is akin to the sky is falling. The flip side is that legalization could bolster the slow down of other drugs on the other hand. So far there is positive news regarding prescription painkiller. Then there are arguments that taking marijuana out of the hands of street dealers potentially means less exposure to harder drugs through those dealers. And there could be a correlation to lower crime rates in states with legalization. While it's still to soon to get a full estimate on all these, the positive aspects are winning out. So far, the sky isn't falling and abuse isn't running rampant.
As for this time in history, people like you would say that when ever it would happen. This time is no worse or better then any other time. Your argument is straight out of reefer madness. It's a mentality that's not only outdated but was never factually accurate to begin with. So while you attempt to present an argument, it actually holds no substance. It's regurgitated lines that never stood up to reality. It doesn't make you "subservient to authority", it can cloud "some" judgements and it can open other's up, it's very subjective that way. Same with the consciousness, for many it opens up creativity. Alcohol is far more of a deceptive drug then pot ever is. It's a reason why drunk driving relate deaths and accidents are what they are. People greatly underestimate their capabilities when they drink. Which is also why you don't see mass casualties regarding smokers.
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Cannabis is already a mainstream drug. As far as I remember the statistics show that most high schoolers tried it at least once and about 1/3 use it somewhat regularly. It's already pretty easily available and it's not perceived by most to be worse than alcohol or tobacco (be it a correct perception or not).
From what I understand most studies consider the damage due to the negative aspects of the war on drug to be actually worse than the benefits on illegal drug consumption reduction. Actually most studies consider the reduction on illegal drug consumption to be questionable in the first place...
On top of that legalisation opens many other interesting possibilities since can allow the state to control the substance's sales. There are many interesting policies which can be implemented only when you have this kind of control which might actually end up in reducing the overall number of cannabis users in the long run.
That's exactly what most of the alternative policies proposed are about. The key issue is this misconception that an authoritarian policy actually solves the problem which, as the whole alcohol prohibitionism debacle did already prove, it's not the case. The war on drug is an idealistic approach which is widely considered not to be actually effective, so it should be ditched in favour of alternative, more pragmatic policies.
It doesn't mean that Apple has to, or should sensor it. And I don't recognize a majority's right to tell me what to do or not to do with my life. It's my life, not theirs. I don't care what they think is best for me either, because I am none of their business.
Apple is an entity created by the (incorporation) law. And the legal authorities can dismantle a corporation (such as they did to Enron) if that entity is seen to be violating various laws, as well as throw people (such as the executives of Enron) into jail.
In this case, Apple wouldn't be violating any laws by hosting weed apps on their app store. That's a first amendment right. So long as they're not directly providing weed, or giving people easier access to the stuff, they're free to do and say what they want to say about the subject.
The way the war on drugs was conducted was idiotic, but americans haven't learned their lessons.
They still use the judicial system to destroy peoples lives. They are just finding new things now.
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Whether one is fit to drive or not has nothing to do with it. And neither does the drug alcohol.
This thread is about cannabis, not alcohol.
Drugs do not open up judgments. That is delusional nonsense.
Corporations are creation of the free market, that are recognized by legitimate judicial systems. They, along with Apple, are not a creation of the state.
Allowing an app that pertains to marijuana is not a violation of any law. First Amendment. Seriously.
Besides, the state has no right telling me what I can or can't put in my own body. As I have said, it's none of their business.
Enron involved massive fraud, and has nothing to do with this.
You brought up the aspect of a deceptive drug, Im just expanding on that and showing why your reasoning is flawed. Funny how for what I wrote, you only nit pick about this one point that doesn't even dispute what was said, while ignoring the rest.
As I already pointed out, there are positive signs that pharmaceutical drug abuse could benefit from marijuana legalization. Given the fact that the drug war in it's current state is a failed experiment decades in the making, it's clear that a major change is needed. You can only go so long hitting your head against the wall before you realize the desired outcome isn't working out. The whole "push for a sober lifestyle" is nothing more then Nancy Reagan's just say no failed campaign. Humans have been using drugs for our entire existence on this planet, trying to argue that we should just give it up is outright denial of reality.
I guess it depends where you are, round me I'd take a drunk over the heards of jobless stoners
Definitely. You never hear of a story of a mass-car accident because someone was high. I personally know 3 people that died of alcohol related reasons. If anything people on weed go too slow, that's how you know.
Alcohol is 800% more damaging to liver, dumbs people down, destroys lives. Just sayin' if weed was a pill America would be all for it!!