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Love that Apple PR machine. Taylor, you rant on twitter, and we’ll reply a day later and change our ‘original plans’. Got it? ;)
 
Great marketing ploy by Apple. Set up a public spat with a global star, hits the headlines world wide. Well done Phil Schiller :)
Billy Corgan was on CNBC this morning ripping Apple a new one. Basically saying they don't care about artists and are using music to sell more hardware. Is he part of Schiller's marketing scheme too?
 
What amazes me the most about this thread: A person appears to have "won" against a corporation - and there's a lot of people here who develop more sympathy for the corporation than for the person.

Let that sink in for a moment. Capitalism has truly won if people prefer corporations over humans. Not that this is the first time that I see something like that happening, but this whole thread is just full of love for an organizations that has only one single purpose (making money for the shareholders) and that will practically do anything allowed by law to fulfil that purpose without any sense of morality, emotion or benevolence. Yet people are willing to actually develop positive emotions towards this organization. Amazing. Bizarre. Absurd.

Seriously, you are mistaking Taylor Swift as a person. Taylor Swift and her brand are integral part of music industry and therefore should be viewed as corporate entity. This is about consumers having to "pay for free" aka free trial which they eventually will if they end up subscribing to Apple Music. Brands like Taylor Swift represent the corporate greed that has nearly destroyed music industry by not accepting solutions that would allow wider consumer reach.
 
I think the whole thing is quite ludicrous really and I don't follow the argument that indie musicians were going to significantly lose out by the 3-month trial being unpaid, but it's a pragmatic move by Apple and they'll have gained a lot of publicity from being in the news about the issue (I don't think it was some planned conspiracy, but I can see why some might suggest that!).

I compose my own music (soundcloud.com/fdporco) and am happy to provide it for free. Its value to me is purely artistic (some may think it awful, that's fine too!) but I don't feel like because I'm not a signed artist selling it as a job that it's worthless. I find this 'music being free devalues it' argument a very specious one.

That said, the artist should have the final say over what they want to do with their music, and not feel coerced by a massive corporation into doing stuff they don't want to.
 
Personally I don't think Jimmy & Co. were worth it and Apple doesn't need the revenue/profit stream from Beats hardware. Google didn't need to spend $3B stand up a decent streaming music service and I don't think Apple did either. I look at a streaming music service as something Apple needed to do but not something they should be focusing a lot of energy and money on. The subscription service isn't going to make Apple a lot of money and they're selling record numbers of devices without it so it's not a driving factor in whether someone buys an iPhone or not. I'd rather Apple most of their energy elsewhere.

Yeah, I'm really not sure why Apple is so interested in doing streaming music except that it really is true that music in their DNA. They see that iTunes sales are going to drop off and they want to make sure that they stay involved in the space. But I don't think it is about making a huge profit in this area. They are probably just doing this to make the experience of using a Smartphone (and maybe the Watch, which can download music) better.

Beats was an odd acquisition and probably Apple overpaid. But as long as the hardware remains popular, this investment can pay off. And I'm sure Apple can use some of the headphone hardware knowledge and tech in the VR set they are working on.
 
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Please be aware of the topic you are speaking about.

Sorry - I assumed we were talking about her music.

I still don't see what the big deal is. NYCgo presumably wants to encourage people to visit NYC. Taylor Swift is a high profile figure who has visited NYC, loved it, and wrote a song about how great it is. And NYCgo are using that to promote the city to other visitors.

So um, yeah - remind me what this has to do with her music.
 
"She" might just be a humanoid robot lady who wails dirges and has as much talent in her little finger as she has in the rest of her whole body - but she/it has proven that the Turing Test really did work here!
 
I'm sorry but no. When Taylor Swift charges $100+ dollars for a concert ticket, that's four to eight indy artists who's concert tickets could have been paid for but she swallowed up those funds...

Which is a ridiculous argument to make, but you can make an argument for anything if all you're trying to do is "stand up for the little guy".

This is all a business. Swift conducts hers in the way that best benefits her and her alone.

Apple was actually trying to do something that benefited every artist, big or small, in a way they felt was still fair to them and their business needs -- not having the pay the bill for every artist while they generate a paying customer base for them. That was what felt fair to them so they went ahead with that because that's how business works.

But because of the PR nightmare people like Swift stirred up over it, business sense is being thrown out the window and the squeaky wheel is getting its grease. It's BS.

Sorry, but you're misguided. I am no fan of Swift. (I couldn't name one of her songs other than "Shake it Off".) Swift gets paid based on her market appeal. Superstars can charge what the market will allow. This has always been true. Apple has no right to stream music to market Apple's service without paying the artists for their creations.
 
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"She" might just be a humanoid robot lady who wails dirges and has as much talent in her little finger as she has in the rest of her whole body - but she/it has proven that the Turing Test really did work here!

It doesn't sound as though you have listened to much of her music or know much about her.
 
you would think they do the right thing..they had no choice.
Actually they did have a choice, they could've dropped TS just like Spotify let her go. Don't pretend that she has that much control over the industry.

I still think this was all a PR stunt. Just wait in the coming days or weeks and MR will be posting this news if it's true, or a rumor. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, I'm really not sure why Apple is so interested in doing streaming music except that it really is true that music in their DNA. They see that iTunes sales are going to drop off and they want to make sure that they stay involved in the space. But I don't think it is about making a huge profit in this area. They are probably just doing this to make the experience of using a Smartphone (and maybe the Watch, which can download music) better.

Beats was an odd acquisition and probably Apple overpaid. But as long as the hardware remains popular, this investment can pay off. And I'm sure Apple can use some of the headphone hardware knowledge and tech in the VR set they are working on.

I use Spotify right now and I'm perfectly satisfied with my experience. I don't think Apple needs Apple Music to sell hardware or make the iOS experience better. Ben Thompson wrote a piece on Stratechery wondering out loud if Apple was losing focus and if they really needed to stand up a streaming music service. Personally I don't think they had a choice but like I said I don't think they need to focus this much energy on it. They could use existing iTunes employees to stand something up and curate stations/playlists. This whole global 24/7 lets copy BBC Radio radio station and Connect social media stuff is not necessary. I can easily pull up TuneIn and listen to thousands of world wide radio stations including BBC Radio 1. Most people are already plugged into Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. The last thing they need is another social place in their lives. And the last thing artists need is another place they feel they have to post content too. It's just more work and for what exactly?
 
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Actually they did have a choice, they could've dropped TS just like Spotify let her go. Don't pretend that she has that much control over the industry.

I still think this was all a PR stunt. Just wait in the coming days or weeks and MR will be posting this news if it's true, or a rumor. :rolleyes:
I don't think so because of course that would leak and then Apple would really look bad. If it was a PR stunt then someone needs to be fired for concocting such a stupid thing.
 
Before you all begin praising apple. Let's not forget they tried to rip artists off to begin with by not wanting to pay them.

I have a slight different take on this - Imagine if Apple announces the same 3 month trial and also that they will be paying the 9.99 fees for all their customers - I bet Spotify will then be crying to the FCC for antitrust claiming Apple is trying to gain market share by buying into the market.

Now Apple has a way out saying that this is what their content providers are demanding.
 
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I don't think so because of course that would leak and then Apple would really look bad. If it was a PR stunt then someone needs to be fired for concocting such a stupid thing.

Apple won't look bad. It's in the name of business. Any company would do this and they have. Nothing new, nothing illegal and nothing immoral. But I like how you said "Apple would look bad" and not Ms. Taylor. Hmmm.
If the company and TS created this PR stunt then who would be fired? That's nonsensical.
 
Yeah, I'm really not sure why Apple is so interested in doing streaming music except that it really is true that music in their DNA. They see that iTunes sales are going to drop off and they want to make sure that they stay involved in the space. But I don't think it is about making a huge profit in this area. They are probably just doing this to make the experience of using a Smartphone (and maybe the Watch, which can download music) better.

Beats was an odd acquisition and probably Apple overpaid. But as long as the hardware remains popular, this investment can pay off. And I'm sure Apple can use some of the headphone hardware knowledge and tech in the VR set they are working on.

They bought Beats for Jimmy Iovine and Dre since they no longer have Jobs to do the negotiating for music. Just shows how much Jobs really did for Apple.
 
Apple won't look bad. It's in the name of business. Any company would do this and they have. Nothing new, nothing illegal and nothing immoral. But I like how you said "Apple would look bad" and not Ms. Taylor. Hmmm.
If the company and TS created this PR stunt then who would be fired? That's nonsensical.

What you are claiming is nonsensical. There are multitudes of ways how Apple could have announced Apple Music with the same amount of exposure as creating an artificial scandal. No one here is realizing that this is quite bad press for Apple. There is not a trained marketing professional on this planet that would think this up.
 
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This honestly couldn't have been better for Apple

- Taylor Swift basically just advertised Apple Music
- Taylor Swift will probably now be on Apple Music (and still not on Spotify)
- Apple is still going to come out of this looking like the good guy
- Spotify is still going to come out of this looking like an old relic which doesn't care
- Apple can take the loss (putting into perspective their bank, this is like a cent
- Now everyone knows about Apple Music

But seriously...I just realized that in the end, this really isn't about any one side, Apple Music got exposure...and there's never bad exposure.

Exactly.

This was clearly a pre-planned publicity stunt that hugely benefits BOTH parties.

A huge company like Apple reverses course on something as big as this in less than 24 hrs (most of which was a Sunday)?
And they conveniently report their reversal on early Monday AM (had the sun even risen in California?) so as to get *all* the elements of this "incredible" story in place before the week's news cycle even begins, thus minimizing any negative press.

I don't buy it for a second.
 
Am I reading this right, despite this - she still hasn't agreed to put her album on Apple Music?
Didn't see anywhere there was a deal that if Apple pays all the artists during trial period, she will put her album in Apple Music. All she did was join her voice with every other artist in complaining. Definitely it worked because she is considered as the heavyweight among artists. No matter how bad her songs are or how much money she makes for herself, that she came to help the indie artists who were getting treated like crap by Apple, makes me feel like she knows what she is doing.
 
And she's still not going to allow 1989 to stream on Apple Music? She pulls her album and demands Apple pay artists during the free period, Apple respond in a positive way and she still pulls her 1989 album?


You know what Swift, keep your album. Your music is worth too much obviously!
 
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