Apple Reverses Course, Will Pay Artists During Apple Music Free Trial

[HenryDJP]

pr stunt? eh no...source?

Well if you deny it....eh source that proves otherwise?

 

[McCool71]

Taylor Swift needs to take a good look at how she deals with professional photographers that cover her concerts. She is much worse that what Apple was up to.

You think Apple has obnoxious contracts, take a look at the one she requires from the poor photographer:

http://www.diyphotography.net/an-open-response-to-taylor-swifts-rant-against-apple/

That is pretty much a standard contract that the vast majority of big artists have had for years now - since long before TS broke through. I am not saying that it is right, though.

 

[dragje]

It's the lazy nature of debates these days, people will label others as fanboys/haters depending on the nature of the comment. I hate it when I see new members join and they get attacked for trolling cause they have an issue with a product and have criticised it. Or when reviewers get personally attacked cause they gave sub perfect scores , like in the case of the Apple watch, and in this case Taylor swift.

My advice, you will very quickly identify the people who are set in thier ways, and it's your choice to debate with them wasting your time, or ignore thier remarks. Be they pro apple or anti apple. The. Best ones are the ones in the middle.

I agree for 100%.

 

[bigmikeinnj]

Well the thread sure got jacked by people complaining about photographer contracts.
Frankly I was really disappointed by Apple making such a big deal about 90 day free trial but refusing to pay rolayties to the artists, large or small fish in the musical sea. I'm a huge Apple Fanboy but doggone it they really blew it trying to throw their weight around like that. I don't like Taylor Swift at all, I have tried to listen to her music and it seems she dates some guy and then dumps him and then writes a song about how lame he is (or whatever). It's like a cycle with her. I'm sure there's a core listener audience that can't figure out if they like prefer men or women and haven't faced the answer yet and have similar issues and truly identify with her music (I know I'm gonna take a big hit making that statement, but that's my opinion, it's not a bad thing not knowing, it is what it is, Taylor should just come up with different themes) Anyway with all that said my hat is off to her because she has enough juice in the biz to stand up for herself and in the process helped the tiny fish. Apple is so rich a company they can afford to truly give something away for FREE out of their pocket and generosity if they want people to like them enough to try it. To expect small artists and large artists to foot the bill, well that's just so lame. Apple gets a timeout in the corner with the dunce cap on for that dumb move. I'm not going to buy anything Apple for 90 days.

 

[639051]

I'm not going to buy anything Apple for 90 days.ts a timeout in the corner with the dunce cap on for that dumb move. I'm not going to buy anything Apple for 90 days.

I'm sure that will teach them a lesson.

 

[hkenneth]

Seriously? Do you even know what it takes to "sing" music? Let alone, write it and produce it? Thats a slam to artists from any field. Shut up.

However hard she sings them, pop songs are not arts. Arts are something that can be appreciated by centuries, not some American girls whining about their ex-boyfriends.

 

[bigmikeinnj]

Jared, with all that I said that's all you could find a problem with.

Frankly this fall I am due to do a infrastructure upgrade. Been looking at the Factory Refurbished section and aiming my sights on a 27 inch iMac with Retina display, 16gb base memory and the 3TB Fusion Drive, also upgrading my Time Capsule to the 3TB version. Not a small purchase, I'm from that 60s Generation and my way of protesting something I think is so lame as what Apple did (with a Gee Look What We Are Giving YOU !! Look) the way I tell them not on my watch is financially. Apple's really great, but this move, they showed themselves to be really full of something I don't like... I'm also very disappointed how they pushed out Yosemite with so many bugs and instead of really fixing it all once and for all are bringing out El Capitan. I'm gonna hold onto my old gear and stay on Mavericks and just watch them from the sidelines for a while.

 

[cmaier]

I think Swift took a stand here against Apple because she was right and she and Big Machine suspected, correctly, that Apple would cave in. The outcry against asking all the music owners to donate their music for free for three months to every potential customer was huge. It seemed completely unfair. Especially when Apple can afford a modest payout (Apple has not said what they will pay for each stream. I suspect it will be less during the trial periods and that will strike people as a fair compromise.)

It also seems unfair for the music labels to keep 65% of the pie when they don't create the music or distribute the music.

 

[cmaier]

For photography, the copyrights are not so clear as for music.
For example, you take a photo of person on street.
Do you have a right to publish that photo?
Its quite ambiguous.

The copyright isn't ambiguous. You take the picture, you own the copyright. Now, the person you took a picture of may have rights unrelated to copyright (privacy rights, e.g.), but that's a different story.

Same as if you make a record containing samples of a recorded phone call. You own the copyright, but publishing may be illegal for other reasons.

 

[flat five]

Thank god we have you to judge us.

what are you talking about??
it's you doing the judging and categorizing. I'm just flipping it back onto you in an attempt to make you realize it.
I think you've made the connection but still haven't got to the part of "oh, hey.. maybe I'm guilty of doing such"

 

[sualpine]

I guess the definition of the word "visitor" is confusing you?

She lives there. So no, she is not a visitor. But that doesn't mean she should be an ambassador either. Can I move to Japan and be an ambassador in 6 months too?

 

[Chris Coyle]

This photography comparison is rubbish.. She is only doing the same thing there as she was with AM.. Protecting her brand and product and stopping others form exploiting.. It's her concert.. she is letting you in to take pictures for the publication you are working for, for which you are getting paid.. but stopping you from then making money off them for the rest of eternity.. It's like the studio engineer of one of her songs on 1989 expecting to get paid everytime the song is played on the radio..

I'm guessing

However hard she sings them, pop songs are not arts. Arts are something that can be appreciated by centuries, not some American girls whining about their ex-boyfriends.

Pop Music not considered art ? Wow I guess all those Beatles fans since 1962 were all wrong?
Maybe the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame got The Beatles wrong too, because their music is pop music?

 

[peterdevries]

Except that what you're saying isn't true. We have the data. Streaming customers aren't buying music. There's been a huge acceleration in the decline of sales with the rise of streaming. Only 1 album has sold over a million copies this year: Taylor Swift and that album came out last year. Her album is not available to stream.

You are still missing the point. Of course I'm aware of the shift. Nevertheless labels would like the streamers to buy more albums so they want to make the buying process easier than it has been previously. The tight integration that iTunes and Apple Music will offer will not turn the tide, but it will make sure that a larger proportion of streamers also buy albums. There is enough data that supports that people that stream also still buy certain albums. Streaming and buying are not mutually exclusive by a long shot.

 

[Chris Coyle]

Taylor Swift isn't about to release a new album.

So actually pretty poor work by the PR department if you think she is.

Artists today don't release albums every year, they work their latest work a good 2-3 years, so yes she is still working 1989 as a product that is still selling.

 

[CraigB1960]

That is pretty much a standard contract that the vast majority of big artists have had for years now - since long before TS broke through. I am not saying that it is right, though.

You are correct and it is not right. Some folks here commented that if the photographer does not produce, than they should not get paid. That is not the issue I was posting.

The contracted photographers are there representing newspapers, magazines, etc. They are not there for the artist. If the said print outlet does not use the photograph, the photographer will not be paid, however the artist maintains the right to use the photographers work as they will with NO payment....NONE, NADA.

I don't have a problem with the photographer not receiving payment, but for the artist to be able to use their product without compensation is wrong. Suddenly, their work has value and they should be compensated.

This is the same issue that TS had with Apple. Use of artist material with no compensation to said artist.


Furthermore, the photographer is not permitted to use said photograph in their own portfolio.

 

[peterdevries]

Jared, with all that I said that's all you could find a problem with.

Frankly this fall I am due to do a infrastructure upgrade. Been looking at the Factory Refurbished section and aiming my sights on a 27 inch iMac with Retina display, 16gb base memory and the 3TB Fusion Drive, also upgrading my Time Capsule to the 3TB version. Not a small purchase, I'm from that 60s Generation and my way of protesting something I think is so lame as what Apple did (with a Gee Look What We Are Giving YOU !! Look) the way I tell them not on my watch is financially. Apple's really great, but this move, they showed themselves to be really full of something I don't like... I'm also very disappointed how they pushed out Yosemite with so many bugs and instead of really fixing it all once and for all are bringing out El Capitan. I'm gonna hold onto my old gear and stay on Mavericks and just watch them from the sidelines for a while.

Please change your font. It surely doesn't make any of us read your posts more than other posts. It's the same as using all caps.

 

[\-V-/]

Please change your font. It surely doesn't make many of us read your posts more than other posts. It's the same as using all caps.

It's exactly like using all CAPS. I have no desire to read that.

 

[BrennerM]

Taylor's next move should be "Thanks to the changes made by Apple, songs from 1989 will now be on Apple Music, and I will donate all of my profits from the first 3 months of Apple Music to charity". She already gives lots to charity, this would just be a drop in the bucket for her.

 

[kdarling]

This kind of mentality really irritates me. In what way are you the copyright owner of your child's photos? You did not take them, so how exactly does the copyright belong to you over an art that you did not create? With how you describe it, why didn't you just take a shot with your cell phone? Then you'd be the "copyright" owner. But instead you've contracted it out to someone else ... why?

Read again. I didn't say I was the copyright owner. I said the portrait photographer was.

Likewise, Swift (or her manager or her label) owns the copyright to her performances, and thus can make any kind of agreement they want with freelance photographers who wish to profit from her shows. Some of it is about safety, some of it is about privacy, some about controlling what is seen outside the auditorium without paying for a ticket.

 

[bigmikeinnj]

Please change your font. It surely doesn't make any of us read your posts more than other posts. It's the same as using all caps.

Peter,
Sorry to burst your bubble young man but I am legally blind, the long effects of open field glaucoma. Don't have a driver's license, don't drive, don't own a car any more. I get the local Senior Bus to huff me to Walmart and Sam's stuff like that. A neighbor sometimes takes me other places if I pay for the gas. I'm not stuck on my opinion and if you notice my stuff is not in caps, just BOLD so I can SEE IT... I've had to explain myself to others in the past here so no offense taken on your comments. It is what it is. Enjoy what you have, the glaucoma crept up on me, they call it the silent thief of eyesight. You slowly lose your peripheral vision, the area your eyes see without moving them, and the actual eye sight. Glaucoma is high internal pressure in the eyeball, normal pressure is about 15-18. When they caught mine it was at 35. Drops help reduce the pressure and now I'm at about 9 but the strangling of the optical nerve and damage is irreversible. I got a lovely dog from a rescue shelter last year, a 4 year old papillon mix, ends up she had glaucoma so bad I had to have one of her eyes removed surgically, her pressure was 55 when they treated her.

One of the reasons I don't like Yosemite is the fonts at the top of the computer page have been made so small and are not adjustable...

My best to you and the others here, let's get back on topic.

 

[Andrei90]

It is if you make it.

Ok, so not free but why are people trying to elminate spotify? That's a great service, free music with ads, everybody wins.

 

[peterdevries]

Peter,
Sorry to burst your bubble young man but I am legally blind, the long effects of open field glaucoma. Don't have a driver's license, don't drive, don't own a car any more. I get the local Senior Bus to huff me to Walmart and Sam's stuff like that. A neighbor sometimes takes me other places if I pay for the gas. I'm not stuck on my opinion and if you notice my stuff is not in caps, just BOLD so I can SEE IT... I've had to explain myself to others in the past here so no offense taken on your comments. It is what it is. Enjoy what you have, the glaucoma crept up on me, they call it the silent thief of eyesight. You slowly lose your peripheral vision, the area your eyes see without moving them, and the actual eye sight. Glaucoma is high internal pressure in the eyeball, normal pressure is about 15-18. When they caught mine it was at 35. Drops help reduce the pressure and now I'm at about 9 but the strangling of the optical nerve and damage is irreversible. I got a lovely dog from a rescue shelter last year, a 4 year old papillon mix, ends up she had glaucoma so bad I had to have one of her eyes removed surgically, her pressure was 55 when they treated her.

One of the reasons I don't like Yosemite is the fonts at the top of the computer page have been made so small and are not adjustable...

My best to you and the others here, let's get back on topic.

Hey man. I'm really sorry to hear about this. Apologies if my comment to you hurt you in any way. It was not intended like that at all. I was of course unaware of your condition and would not have written this if I knew. At first sight it seemed like you were trying to get additional intention as some people sometimes do here.

I relate to your condition. I have severe tinnitus myself (which of course doesn't infect my internet browsing) and had a blind dog that died a few years ago.

To avoid future comments such as mine it might help to add a signature at the bottom. I wish you all the best and thanks for responding to me in this way.

 

[scottish]

Taylor Swift isn't about to release a new album.

So actually pretty poor work by the PR department if you think she is.

Don't tell me - you're assuming she must have a new album coming out, because you've decided in your head that this is a PR stunt.

And you have decided it is a PR stunt, because for some as of yet unknown reason, you can't comprehend the idea that Taylor Swift might genuinely feel strongly enough about this to speak out about it.

And why might that be - is it because she is a woman?

I thought I'd read somewhere that she wouldn't have her new album on there. Maybe new meant latest or maybe it said something else entirely.

I don't doubt that Taylor Swift genuinely cares, though I'm sure her PR people helped get her message out.

Apple presumably will have considered that not paying royalties could be deemed unacceptable and I reckon always expected to reverse course.

The last sentence was worded badly because I don't really think it was entirely a PR stunt. I should have said good news for the PR departments involved.

Not sure why you've brought gender into it? Have you assumed I am male?

 

[neutralguy]

Best gorilla marketing strategy ever.

Step 1: Create "trial" policy guaranteed to solicit reaction from Taylor Swift, media buzz, fans, etc.

Step 2: Let it simmer

Step 3: Emerge as the hero and "give in" to Swift

Step 4: Everyone knows about it and everyone thinks its good

Never knew you could be a hero by "give in" to the fight that you started in the first place

 

[flur]

She's a singer. Not an artist.

She's a singer who writes her own music and lyrics, which means she is a creator of original content, which, practically by definition, makes her an artist.