The Windows Phone UI is why I bought Android. Windows 8 is why I bought Macs. It doesn't look fresh. Just dull.
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Apple Risking iOS 7 Delays With Jony Ive's Design Overhaul
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The Windows Phone UI is why I bought Android. Windows 8 is why I bought Macs. It doesn't look fresh. Just dull.
Flat UI was not created by Android nor was it made popular, it is a design trend.
I feel like we're at a point if they just skipped an iOS release this summer we wouldn't miss anything. ESPECIALLY if it was to give another 6-12 months for the new ios 7 revamp, I'd take keeping iOS 6 as it is versus a "halfway iOS 7" that still kicks out hardware and doesn't really shine.
I'm still sitting on a 3GS and an just happy with it. I'd rather wait another 6-9 months for a truly GREAT new phone than get kicked from support in July "just because" for a phone that's not REALLY the iOS 7 phone. Apple is sitting on a "golden age" of a really wide spread of device compatibility... Every iOS device from "iPhone 3" and "iPad 2" forward all use the same software and run the same programs. When this new iOS comes out, that's all going to break.... Don't break the party up till its WAY better Apple!
bigger screens are great. I am not a busy person. I use my phone with 2 hands. for reading and browsing the bigger screens are for me needed
I didn't say they invented it. I just said they started using it before Apple on phones for a ui look. You people like to jump to conclusions here
Then you're probably going to have a hard time with the "personal gadget" revolution that's about to occur with the even smaller screens that will appear on watches, glasses, belt buckles, shoes, and whatnot.
agree, Windows 8 on a tablet is one thing... but Windows 8 on desktop IMO is a disaster. From the IT/Business point of view, Windows better do something and quick.
Yes I completely agree with you! The iOS is in dire need of a major update but without Steve we're unsure of the outcome. I will have to wait for the release to give an honest opinion..
Feels like I'm not Apple's target audience. I love my 3GS, it's the most useful thing I have ever bought. But I don't like the design of the iPhone 4 (the "glass brick" design) and I don't like the stretched screen of the iPhone 5 (in landscape mode, it shows less of a given page than the iPhone 3GS screen).
Now, the guy responsible for Apple's hardware is doing the new iOS, and multiple sources claim it will have a "flat" design. Which is followed by a fake argument of skeumorphism versus flat designs, while those are not opposite - the Messages app is not skeumorphic but it's also not flat, for example. And while I wouldn't be sad to lose the excess of skeumorphism in the current iOS, assuming the only way to do so is to have a flat design is, simply, pure ignorance.
(Just as it's ignorance to claim that iOS 7 couldn't be delayed because Apple has not announced a release date, for the records. If sources from inside Apple claim that iOS 7 will be delayed, that's - obviously - because it will be finished after Apple's internal release date, regardless of what they have or not announced to everyone else.)
I'll likely be in the minority, but I have the feeling I'm not going to enjoy the "flat" iOS 7.
Now, the guy responsible for Apple's hardware is doing the new iOS, and multiple sources claim it will have a "flat" design. Which is followed by a fake argument of skeumorphism versus flat designs, while those are not opposite - the Messages app is not skeumorphic but it's also not flat, for example. And while I wouldn't be sad to lose the excess of skeumorphism in the current iOS, assuming the only way to do so is to have a flat design is, simply, pure ignorance.
(Just as it's ignorance to claim that iOS 7 couldn't be delayed because Apple has not announced a release date, for the records. If sources from inside Apple claim that iOS 7 will be delayed, that's - obviously - because it will be finished after Apple's internal release date, regardless of what they have or not announced to everyone else.)
I'll likely be in the minority, but I have the feeling I'm not going to enjoy the "flat" iOS 7.
Ive thinks like an anorexic.
His design ideas are stale and simply retreads of earlier designs.
His design ideas are stale and simply retreads of earlier designs.
When will people understand, Jony is not single handedly designing the user interface himself. It's unlikely he will design ANY user interface by himself. He is just leading the team of UI designers that have been there at Apple for years. He will offer input, he will give them direction, and he will give the final stamp of approval. Sounds a lot like what Steve Jobs did, eh? And who else at Apple comes close to matching Steve's taste when it comes to design? Jony.
Lets all relax and stop buying into all this media gossip and overused buzzwords like "flat design." It's silly. Jonys goal probably isn't "let's make a flat UI," it's probably "lets make something beautiful aesthetically and simple and modern." Simple as that. I think the thinner fonts, less textures and bubblyness, is sort of a natural progression when we have these retina displays on all our devices. Fatter text and bubbly icons worked well for lowDPI screens. It still looks great on retina displays, but looking at Yahoos weather app design on a retina display is even more stunning.
Wait, flatter design? So iOS7 is going to look like Windows 8?
I sincerely hope not. But all the references I've seen refer to it being "flatter" not "flat". Completely flat designs like Windows 8 Metro are in my opinion gimmicky and will age quickly. Metro is already looking terribly dated.
Subtle depth and effects are important for things like icons and buttons, they just need to be toned down and have their gloss removed. Those semi-circular reflections on the icons serve no useful purpose whatsoever and actually detract from the icon.
Adding subtle graininess in colours and gradients would echo the anodised aluminium found in the hardware, tying the two together. I hope that the OS retains a sense of vibrancy and fun with bright colours as epitomised by the WWDC logo but adds to that the level of sophistication and class seen in the hardware. There's no reason for the OS to become boring.
If anyone can do it it's Jonny, we believe in you!
As someone who has worked in many product development organizations, in my experience putting a non-engineer in charge of software engineering deliverables is a bad thing. Typically, non-engineers underestimate the complexity of software development, and tend to push over-aggressive schedules. Then they demand that deveopment be "accountable" to their "schedule committments". The result can be product rushed out the door, and poor quality.
Hope that doesn't happen here.
I'm trying to figure out your logic...you want the hardware to become fatter?
Couldn't agree more, the whole thing was poorly thought out executed, even for Microsoft "standards".
I wouldn't say doomed... Apple still has more money on hand than any other company in the world.
I really hope they take the approach you mentioned. Actually sounds amazing, here's to hoping they go with an approach like yours...
Belt buckles lol. Excuse me miss, can I have your phone number? Just enter it into my crotch
Reading comprehension fail.
What part of "more or less" do you not understand?
(And the Magic Mouse is awesome)
Jony - if you can't get it all done at once, then do part of it, ship iOS 7, then do the rest of it and ship updates with the rest of the changes. Especially if the changes are just cosmetic. How about doing the OS first, then shipping Apple apps one at a time as they're ready?
Uh oh. If the iOS 7 work includes adding pervasive non-touch-gesture features, then that one feature alone could take many months to get right. Say, for example, you could "hover" one or more fingertips over the screen as some new form of gesturing. That would require deep changes to the OS' interface layer and all apps that use the new "hover" gestures.
And, by the way, "hovering" could pave the way for unification of iOS and OS X. The lack of a cursor (among other things) on iOS prevents that now, but that issue goes away if you could hover a fingertip to bring up a cursor, and if the cursor would follow your fingertip as you move it around near the screen.
Or, going even further down the silly rumor path, "hovering" could enable 3-d interaction with a 3-d interface. You'd touch the screen to manipulate icons at the deepest level, then lift your fingers up to manipulate icons visually closer to you.
On the other hand, maybe non-touch gesturing could be used for something completely different. Maybe Siri will be able to understand American Sign Language using the front-facing camera. So non-hearing / non-speaking people can use the dictation feature.
(Note: I think that unifying iOS and OS X is a terrible idea. I used to think it was inevitable. But really, I think there would be little or no benefit to Apple or its customers, and it might end up being terribly confusing. Just look at Windows 8. But I do think ARM-based consumer Macs are inevitable.)
That is easily my biggest complaint about iOS Mail. It's absurd that you can't do junk filtering on the device in 2013. Or at the very least, let us set rules that get filetered on the iCloud servers before the mail comes in (although that doesn't help you with non-iCoud accounts,mehich lots of people have).
Good, take the time and get it right. iOS 6 is usable enough for now.
I must admit I have the same reflex when I read those words. While I'm not a fan of the Windows 8 aesthetics, I remind myself that a good graphics designer could fix that. The real problem with Windows 8 is that the interface is close to unusable-- there's nothing intuitive about it. iOS has begun to suffer from a bit of that as well. Not as badly, I'd argue, but if you imagine picking up an iPhone without ever having used one before, it's not as intuitive as the original, it assumes you've been learning its quirks over the years.
So I do think the UI could use some cleanup. Get rid of the wasted resources trying to make applications look like reel-to-reel tape machines, put all the iPod controls in one place so it's easier to control with one hand, etc...
Wait, flatter design? So iOS7 is going to look like Windows 8?
I must admit I have the same reflex when I read those words. While I'm not a fan of the Windows 8 aesthetics, I remind myself that a good graphics designer could fix that. The real problem with Windows 8 is that the interface is close to unusable-- there's nothing intuitive about it. iOS has begun to suffer from a bit of that as well. Not as badly, I'd argue, but if you imagine picking up an iPhone without ever having used one before, it's not as intuitive as the original, it assumes you've been learning its quirks over the years.
So I do think the UI could use some cleanup. Get rid of the wasted resources trying to make applications look like reel-to-reel tape machines, put all the iPod controls in one place so it's easier to control with one hand, etc...