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For those saying Ie to do keynotes, I seem to remember him presenting at the unibody macbook pro keynote and he was pretty awful!

Umm, Ive was pretty great at the unibody event. You must not care much about design (or not as much as me) if you weren't fascinated to see Jony talk step by step about building a new design. I found it fascinating, and you could tell his passion.
 
I'm excited for a redesign. To be honest I have been admiring the S4 but I don't want to have to fight with a device to integrate into my apple dependent world. I hope Mr. Ive makes me forget the S4 even exists.

You won't have to fight much at all. ignore everything anyone says here and Google it. android has been fairly seamless with most Mac stuff for some time now.
 
Well, I like the new WWDC logo. But the idea of switching from the original Aqua look without Steve's input is scary to say the least.

Look how everyone who has tried anything else in Android world has been unsuccessful, and Samsung who has copied it the most (nearly wholesale) has been so incredibly successful.

Aqua is proven formula for success. Nearly everyone has done anything different has failed compared to anyone who has simply mimicked it.
 
Exactly. If it's Apple doing it, it's golden, if others, it's crap. At least on this board. Ive doesn't have to research much on this front, Samsung has it all implemented already.

Also many of the reviews have said the features are "gimmicky" and do not work very well. Samsung just try's to fatten up the spec and feature sheet not really caring about how useful they are.

So I assume if Apple does do hand gestures they will work right:cool:
 
My thoughts...

I imagine that within Apple there exists a roadmap, with both hardware and software releases timelined, along with aspirational targets, such as new technology that hasn't yet been invented/made cost-effective.

Repeated comments suggest this to run to about 3 years into the future.

Comments from the SJ biography tell us the design studio contains a room where all upcoming products across ranges (confirmed and prototype) are laid out, and played with. And that this represents the next 3 years or so.


And then this roadmap will be susceptible to change - both positive and negative. New ideas/technology will add. Stuff that doesn't work will go. Problems will delay. Acquisition of companies may accelerate.

What we don't know from the biography, or from reports, is the impact on Apple's plans of competitors and rivals' technology. Apple's culture of focussing on their own development, and not listening to their customers' wants, surely doesn't mean they don't watch what other companies are doing very closely indeed? I assume they have a room where they have all the other smartphones and tablets, and play with them to see their strengths and weaknesses?

But what I think the loss of Steve means to the company, is the loss of an arrogant, rude leader, who would refuse to admit he was wrong, and would drive people/employees to produce something they didn't think was possible. The biography is filled with tales of deadlines thought to be unachievable suddenly being met after forceful input from Steve.

IOS 7 is an example of this. Removing Forstall, and reorganising management structures may have stalled progress a little, but will hopefully reignite passion.

But is IOS 7 enough?


I'm ready for a surprise. Whether product, or concept. Something no-one was expecting. Innovative. Perhaps even controversial.

I would love for Cook's next keynote to not follow the same old identikit presentation sequence we can all now predict.. it's time for a "wow". It really is.
I hope there's a "wow" drawn in big red letters on Apple's roadmap whiteboard, and it's this year.
 
agreed. What makes it so gimmicky is the fact the the gestures only work in stock apps. There is no real use thus they are gimmicky

If apple include it, then most likely it'll catch on, if they release APIs. That's the advantage of having the software catering for one device, as developers won't have to worry about supporting only one small percentage if devices.
 
Well, I like the new WWDC logo. But the idea of switching from the original Aqua look without Steve's input is scary to say the least.

Look how everyone who has tried anything else in Android world has been unsuccessful, and Samsung who has copied it the most (nearly wholesale) has been so incredibly successful.

Aqua is proven formula for success. Nearly everyone has done anything different has failed compared to anyone who has simply mimicked it.

Samsung's popularity is entirely marketing budget. touchwiz hasn't looked like ios much since ics. which is when they really took off
 
I don't recall Apple announcing a release date, so how can it be late? I'd rather it is done RIGHT than one according to some fool's induced timetable.

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Thanks for the riveting insight. :eek:


when there talking about timetable they mean for wwdc I'm assuming they prefer to have it somewhat finished by then so they can show it off in all its glory
 
Form has to follow function, which is one of the key parts of "flat" design. Hopefully increased functionality (efficiency) is part of the overall UI.

Apple's philosophy is that form is function. A least, that's what Jony Ive follows.

Just take a look at the exterior of any product. Every single visible feature has a function. Take the iPhone 5 for an example. From the glass inserts, to the chamfered edges, they all play a direct role.
 
Apple risking delays ? Delays on what deadline ?

If they have decided to redesign iOS, they should take all the time they need for it. There are no deadlines here, there is no competitive operating system that can be installed on iOS devices instead of...iOS.

Exactly. If it's Apple doing it, it's golden, if others, it's crap. At least on this board. Ive doesn't have to research much on this front, Samsung has it all implemented already.

Yeah, because it is widely known that Apple always've been copying Samsung's products. Oh wait...
 
iThink the yearly iOS and OS X release cycle is nonsense.

This hits close to the mark. Annual release of operating systems just means you're pushing out fewer updates to the software at that time, which means there isn't really anything people would not have expected in update to an existing OS.

Back when iOS devices weren't on par with full computers 10 or so years ago it made sense to have a less complex (and easier to develop) OS. Now iOS is running on hardware that is equivalent in power to what used to run OSX 10.3 and 10.4. It really should be a longer cycle of development.
 
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...


Here's a wild thought. Maybe they should have not waited till the last minute to freshen up their OS.

Is this the new Apple, only react to the competition when it's almost too late?

Still I look forward to see new design.

:apple:

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So I assume if Apple does do hand gestures they will work right:cool:



Like Maps??


:confused:
 
That Apple, which prides itself on its artistry and aesthetics, could ship the current version of iCal, is just incredible. iCal for both iPad and Mac with its leather theme and pastel colrs, is the ugliest, hardest to read calendar app imaginable.

So many things are worse than they used to be with Mac software. I have an old Luxor lamp iMac and its way better in some ways from a software/user POV.

Searching. You typed in a word in finder and got files with that word in their title. Now with Mac OS you type in a word and you get a zillion responses of docs seemingly unrelated to your word. Why should I the user have to type name:[term] into a finder search widow just to do the number one thing people want to do when they search for a file on their Macs, search by name ?

Mail. Same thing. The Mail app used to search better with simple narrow results shown.

iWeb. You could make web pages so easily on the old Mac and publish them online in a snap. No longer.

Word. The old Mac starts Word so fast! My new Mac takes ages to load Word.

Preview. The old G4 Mac had zippy preview. The new one needs forever to load preview files even simple jpegs.

Simple text. Same thing. Zippy before. Slow now.

Save as. Omg. The older Mac let's you save as in one simple step. The new one makes you duplicate. It bumps up against locked files. It's multi step as cumbersome to do what the older system did effortlessly.

Startup time. The old LUXOR lamp iMac starts up way faster.

Invisible files. The old Mac shows you what's on the hard drive. The new one hides files from you and sometimes you need to find those files.

Restoring windows. The older Mac let's you be the boss. When you quit a program it quits. You don't Hae to start safari and see yeterdays search pages. The new one despite your telling it to stop restoring widows, does.

Calendar syncing also worked sooooo much better with mobile me.

I love my new Mac but the old one was more designed for me, the user, to be snappy and efficient.

And aesthetically personally I think the older is was way more elegant.

Or Mayr I am just turning into a grumpy whiner. Possible! Thank you for indulging my rant lol.
 
They have a ton of apps to change but I think the real challenge is going to be changing all the controls in xcode for third party apps.

I wonder if as a developer you will have a choice to build with the new controls or if all the old controls will just change to the new ones. I hope they leave the option for both.
 
I'm all in favor of as long of a delay as needed. Especially since we are not getting the iPhone 6 for at least another 12 to 18 months according to rumors that seem to all agree.

The more I read about iPhone 5S and it's relatively modest additions, and or improvements, it will probably be a great chance to pass, and save some money.

For those who either must have, or cannot wait, Apple is sure to repeat the discount offers on older models as they are doing now.

Since none of the last three generations differs much more than that funny stretched out screen they squeezed into the 5, there's every reason to buy a 4S. Especially since in my experience it's been the best iPhone I've owned to date.

My iPhone 5 is just not up to Apple's usual quality or functionality, as agreed on by those who are talking up iOS 7 as the OS they are waiting for.

If Apple saves iOS 7 for release with iPhone 6, that would be ideal. One big improvement to push them back to the top of the heap.


Here's just one of many:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57582281-37/larger-screen-iphone-to-launch-in-2014-analyst/
 
Why haven't we seen samples of the new look then? Have I missed it? By now we would have had pages of screenshots in this forum.

What samples are you talking about?

The iOS will be shown for the first time to everyone in June and then develops can get their hands on betas to develop their apps around.

Software is almost never leaked usually so this isn't surprising.
 
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