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I never really understood why people were so worried about this unless they have text messages of drug deals.
Because the government is no longer politically neutral. Each side wants to punish the other side using the power of the government. My guess is that right now you might be politically with the side in control, but you should think about the situation when the side you support is not in control and the government decides to go after your children or parents because of your political beliefs.
 
This isn't an Apple issue. Its an individual state issue. They control the keys to the gate here, not the other way around.
I'd find that explanation believable if just one those eight states had there DLs now displayable through the Apple Wallet after two years.
 
TSA checkpoints are a very limited use case. You still need the physical ID for everything else. Very little motivation to add it to Apple Wallet.
 
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To hazard a guess, I'd imagine the relevant authorities are caught with the notion of fairness, and are possibly reluctant to move forward with Apple only, conferring them an advantage over Android, because, like it or not over 40% of phone users in the US use Android. Governments are not businesses, and often have to have different concerns from private actors.

I'd love to see digital id's in our country, but I'm not optimistic since I've had nothing but trouble with the EU Passport Card which was supposed to make things easier, so much so I've gone back to using the old fashioned Passport book.
 
Wondering out loud.... Is one of the issues holding this up the reality you can only have one of certain types of IDs? A DL and your passport certainly fit into this category. With a passport, there are no "duplicates".
 
California went with its own, 2-star app.
1,400 downloads and (not) counting.
I just looked and it says "Refresh Needed." What a bath, a face lift? Oh I need to know the email associated with my DL. I use multiple emails. OK I am doing it. But if with the CHP or local sheriff looking over my shoulder, a non-starter. Oh, and it's still processing a minute later. Now three minutes later and still processing.

Is it really 1400. Too bad they couldn't make the leap to Wallet.

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Not sure how the app got any stars.
 
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I appreciate the convenience of not having to have my wallet on me. I am more likely to forget that, when leaving home, than my phone.

However, there have to be privacy or surveillance issues? I have yet to see an impassioned discussion of those. I have so far only seen dismissals by the same people who wholesale condemn 5G.

For example, could there be similar issues with phone-based IDs as there are with Central-Bank Digital Currencies? I am thinking of the scenario, in which banks or governments would cut individuals off from commerce for any reason, like purchasing too many rounds of ammunition or making a donation to an political opposition candidate.

The government already has all the license info and can use it right now. That's just how it works for licenses.

The Apple Wallet ID system adds in a tokenized system that does not just randomly grab your data and do whatever with it. It will disclose data when you consent and it will tell you what data it is disclosing to the TSA (the TSA also has your data anyway).

But Apple's system is like the license in your wallet right now, except it can't be cloned or replicated, and it can be wiped remotely with Find My iPhone. And it needs biometrics or phone passcode to show itself.

This is a solution looking for a problem.

"License and registration, please."

"Oh, here officer. Just take my whole unlocked phone and feel free to do whatever you want with it."

:rolleyes:
I love that we see this exact misinformation year in and year out since this was announced.

No, the Apple Wallet ID system does not work by you handing your phone over to anyone. First off police departments are not ready to accept this system yet. You can't legally drive anywhere in the whole of the USA with just an Apple Wallet ID, you need the old fashioned plastic license to be legally driving. The only place the Apple Wallet ID system is legally accepted is at a few TSA checkpoints in a few states. No driving, no alcohol sales, none of that yet.

And if it does ever get accepted for driving, they will give officers a reader to scan your phone with. They will not take your phone.

Now maybe the officer tricks you and says you have to hand your phone over. But that's a given right now. A cop can say hand over your phone, you have to, and just straight up lie to you. That has nothing to do with this system, that's just how it is for all time.

There are a few states that have their own app with digital ID. They scan a QR code to verify the info. The Apple version would replace the QR code with NFC. But can a corrupt cop be corrupt, yes, and they can be corrupt right now, they don't need any digital ID to lie to you and abridge your constitutional rights.
 
Wondering out loud.... Is one of the issues holding this up the reality you can only have one of certain types of IDs? A DL and your passport certainly fit into this category. With a passport, there are no "duplicates".
Quite possibly.

Although in the EU you can have a Passport Book (valid for all countries) and a Passport Card (for EU use only). Both are valid passports.
 
What we need is a basic standard that is not tied to a phone/ iOS that all of them can hook into. It is a huge mess and I personally would love to be able to just go someplace with my phone and not have to be worried if I forgot my wallet. Right now I can pay for most things with my phone and I can drive my car with it but I still need to carry my ID with me to legally drive.
 
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I'd find that explanation believable if just one those eight states had there DLs now displayable through the Apple Wallet after two years.

Here in Indiana it’s definitely a government issue. They never officially signed on to Apple’s program, but none the less the state gov and governor approved a digital driver’s license bill in 2019. The BMV here is just dreadfully slow to adopt any new technology they aren’t forced to.

They keep saying they will (and I think we’ll eventually get Apple Wallet support even) but they are in no rush.

https://fox59.com/indianapolitics/w...s-licenses-still-not-available-after-4-years/
 
I have a feeling that Apple makes these huge announcements about the wonderful things to come, just so that the press, investors and public remain very excited. But in reality, few of them come to fruition in form or fashion as originally conceived. Maybe it is time for Apple to take a break from making exciting announcements and focus on delivering what was showcased.
 
Probably just (the) American states being difficult.
They don’t want to spend the money to issue every cop and customer facing state office an NFC reader.

Similarly, retail must abhor the idea of investing in similar, look how long it took them to incorporate the software changes to enable Apple Pay on existing payment terminals.

Would be cool if on the retail side the payment terminal software could be modified to add ID reading functionality.
 
This is a solution looking for a problem.

"License and registration, please."

"Oh, here officer. Just take my whole unlocked phone and feel free to do whatever you want with it."

:rolleyes:
That's always been my concern. The only times I NEED my driver's license is 1) if a cop needs it, or 2) if I'm at a store and they need to see ID. In neither case do I want someone else to physically handle/hold my phone, especially the cop obviously.

I would IMAGINE Apple would design a way to make your license viewable, but the lock out the rest of the phone. I would IMAGINE. However, as that doesn't seem to be the case years after this feature, maybe not.
 
TSA checkpoints are a very limited use case. You still need the physical ID for everything else. Very little motivation to add it to Apple Wallet.
I hear what you're saying, but my primary use for ID is at TSA/Passport control checkpoints. I just don't end up in ID requiring situations very often otherwise.
 
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What a bust! Even the states that allow the use of Apple Wallet for driver's license don't have universal rules for acceptance across their state government agencies. And you can see how few airports use it for TSA. This initiative could be dropped and virtually no one would miss it. No one here in Illinois. Take it out back and shoot it.
 
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