Samsung is for sure ahead and will switch to using TLC almost exclusively in 2015, but Toshiba is only slightly behind. Micron is just starting now...
This report is really interesting (see pages 15-20).
Toshiba started using 3D-NAND in 3Q14.
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Samsung is for sure ahead and will switch to using TLC almost exclusively in 2015, but Toshiba is only slightly behind. Micron is just starting now...
This report is really interesting (see pages 15-20).
Toshiba started using 3D-NAND in 3Q14.
Europe?
I am fairly new to the subject and I am about to buy my very first iPhone so PLEASE help me out
I tried to find all the info I could on the subject and many websites reported that the problem was exclusive to 64GB iPhone 6 AND 128GB iPhone 6+ but what I understand from this Forum is that ALL 64GB and 128GB models regardless of being iPhone or iPhone 6 might have TLC.
Does anyone in this forum have solid evidence that ALL 128GB iPhone 6 models are inevitably TLC? or is there a chance they could be MLC as well? I am from Europe and the local shop says the 64GB iPhone 6 phones have arrived ten days ago and the 128GB iPhone 6 phones are back from late October-early November..
So can you tell me what are my chances of getting a 128GB iPhone that has MLC?
I am fairly new to the subject and I am about to buy my very first iPhone so PLEASE help me out
I tried to find all the info I could on the subject and many websites reported that the problem was exclusive to 64GB iPhone 6 AND 128GB iPhone 6+ but what I understand from this Forum is that ALL 64GB and 128GB models regardless of being iPhone or iPhone 6 might have TLC.
Does anyone in this forum have solid evidence that ALL 128GB iPhone 6 models are inevitably TLC? or is there a chance they could be MLC as well? I am from Europe and the local shop says the 64GB iPhone 6 phones have arrived ten days ago and the 128GB iPhone 6 phones are back from late October-early November..
So can you tell me what are my chances of getting a 128GB iPhone that has MLC?
As far as I know... zero. I've collected several reports and I've never encountered a single MLC 128GB device.
Anyway, if you think you need 128GB, just go on and buy it: most of us 128GB owners never had issues. If you have problems, Apple will be more than happy to exchange your faulty device with another one.
Thank you very much for your reply. I am not sure whether if the TLC in itself is a good enough reason for a replacement. What I am worried about is that as far as I understand TLC performance fades through time even if there are no major issues. Is there any truth to that?
Probably no more than any other type of RAM. Whatever type is used it will last far longer than you will ever be using the device, as it would be long ago obsolete by that time and you would already have tossed it in a drawer or sold it.
I have a late October build iPhone 6 Plus, 128GB. Its NAND is TLC (confirmed using IOKitBrowser). My results contradict everything 'bad' about TLC (these are the single core tests).
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I have asked Apple to replace my iPhone 6 Plus 128GB three times because of this defective memory component TLC NAND Flash. And they did replace it three times without arguing! This is the 4th replacement in my hands in a couple of months!
You can see if you have the defective TLC NAND Flash or the non-defective MLC NAND Flash just using the app www.pgyer.com/tlccheck
I suggest you all to go to your Apple Store and simply say: "my iPhone 6 reboots randomly 5 times a day and my apps (always mention Apple apps as Pages, Numbers, Safari) crash randomly 10 times a day. I bought the costliest existing iPhone specifically to work out of the office on those apps and with these reboots and crashes I can't get any work done." Then you will see how they will immediately replace it with a new one as they keep doing with me.
The reason why they replace them without arguing is that they perfectly know the problem even though they will never admit it to you. Admitting it to you would mean admitting it publicly and that would mean being forced to start a dramatically costly mass replacement worldwide. Even though they will never admit it to you they still will always replace it because they are afraid that you will sue them therefore publicly revealing the problem with an even worstly damaging publicity.
If you even only mention the name TLC NAND Flash defective memory component (that was stopped being used by Apple in favor of MLC six weeks after the release of the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus because of the discovery of them causing random reboots and crashes) every Apple employee is instructed to reply to you that if that information is not on the Apple webpage it is an untrue rumor (and I always reply them that Apple not only excludes false rumors from its webpage but obviously also truths that are dramatically inconvenient for them, right?).
In my case I have not been lucky because this last replacement has a TLC from Toshiba, the previous replacement had the TLC from Sandisk and the previous replacement had a TLC as well (I don't remember the manufacturer), the previous iPhone, which was the original one, was working perfectly and I replaced it for a completely different reason in a moment in which I had no idea about the existence of these defective components, otherwise I would've realized how lucky I was and I would've kept it.
I don't care whether or not they admit on my face during the replacement. What I care and what I tell them (and what you should also tell them when they replace it for you) is that I will keep scheduling my Apple Genius appointment every Monday and make them replace my iPhone 6+ every week until they give me one that doesn't reboot/crashes no matter what the real cause is. In other words until they give me one with the non-defective "MLC" NAND FLASH memory component. You should do the same.
You can see if you have the defective TLC NAND Flash or the non-defective MLC NAND Flash just using the app www.pgyer.com/tlccheck
I suggest you all to go to your Apple Store and simply say: "my iPhone 6 reboots randomly 5 times a day and my apps (always mention Apple apps as Pages, Numbers, Safari) crash randomly 10 times a day. I bought the costliest existing iPhone specifically to work out of the office on those apps and with these reboots and crashes I can't get any work done." Then you will see how they will immediately replace it with a new one as they keep doing with me.
The reason why they replace them without arguing is that they perfectly know the problem even though they will never admit it to you. Admitting it to you would mean admitting it publicly and that would mean being forced to start a dramatically costly mass replacement worldwide. Even though they will never admit it to you they still will always replace it because they are afraid that you will sue them therefore publicly revealing the problem with an even worstly damaging publicity.
If you even only mention the name TLC NAND Flash defective memory component (that was stopped being used by Apple in favor of MLC six weeks after the release of the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus because of the discovery of them causing random reboots and crashes) every Apple employee is instructed to reply to you that if that information is not on the Apple webpage it is an untrue rumor (and I always reply them that Apple not only excludes false rumors from its webpage but obviously also truths that are dramatically inconvenient for them, right?).
In my case I have not been lucky because this last replacement has a TLC from Toshiba, the previous replacement had the TLC from Sandisk and the previous replacement had a TLC as well (I don't remember the manufacturer), the previous iPhone, which was the original one, was working perfectly and I replaced it for a completely different reason in a moment in which I had no idea about the existence of these defective components, otherwise I would've realized how lucky I was and I would've kept it.
I don't care whether or not they admit on my face during the replacement. What I care and what I tell them (and what you should also tell them when they replace it for you) is that I will keep scheduling my Apple Genius appointment every Monday and make them replace my iPhone 6+ every week until they give me one that doesn't reboot/crashes no matter what the real cause is. In other words until they give me one with the non-defective "MLC" NAND FLASH memory component. You should do the same.
I changed my iphone 6 plus 128gb as well for one week without any problems. They made a quick test and see that there were over 20 memory issues. Before I had a toshiba tlc from the first days. Now I have a sandisk tlc without any problems till now. I'm not sure if there are any iphone 6 plus 128gb with mlc flash out there?
I call BS. The probability of you getting defective iPhones 4 times in a row(!) is astronomically low. *EVEN* if the defective rate was 1 in 100(which is EXTREMELY HIGH and clearly not the case here. It would be all over the news if this was the case, bigger than bendgate). Ok, so it is possible....but unlikely.