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Man I am definitely interested in one of these. I thought the Yoga Pro 2 was a nice device but much prefer iOS to Windows Apps. Something that can go from tablet to laptop sounds pretty cool. I wonder what would happen to the MBA? I was looking at one of those but i'll wait and see what Apple announces later this fall.
 
LOL. Relax. Take a valium or something. Given that we invented the language in the first place I think we're entitled to decide what is proper English and how it should be spelt. We didn't add the U, you guys took it out for no reason other than to be awkward.

English originated in the UK? :rolleyes:
 
Bring back implies it was once there. It wasn't. And this long with iOS and no user accessible file system seems to me a good sign they don't see a need for it, for the average consumer that is the target audience.

The lack of a visible hierarchical file system is the most unheralded and revolutionary feature of iOS. It's talked about only by tech geeks who bemoan the lack of one, as if the file system analogy is somehow mandatory or essential to computing. The truth is, files systems are so 1960s. Apple began moving away from them with the original Mac, which had a visible hierarchical file system, but the user could see only the contents of open folders, not the hierarchy. Hierarchy returned to the Mac with OSX, and for those of us who'd been using the Mac for 15 years already, it was strange and different to see.

So I would say it's isn't about the "average consumer" at all, but about Apple rethinking the way we interact with computers. This kind of blank slate designing is what we expect from Apple, or at least, should expect.
 
LOL. Relax. Take a valium or something. Given that we invented the language in the first place I think we're entitled to decide what is proper English and how it should be spelt. We didn't add the U, you guys took it out for no reason other than to be awkward.

Actually, if anyone "invented" the English language, it was the Germans. You could look it up. English is the most widely-spoken language on the planet, in literally hundreds of distinct dialects. So no, you aren't entitled to decide anything with respect to the language. But if you want to make a start on this fruitless effort, you might have a wee chat with the Scots.

Anyway, so sorry about the empire, but it really has been history for some time now, so you might want to get used to it.
 
Yep. He most definitely did.
I love the idea of a larger iPad! Being a designer, but a "hybrid" is not the answer and sounds like this analyst is begging for attention.
Better functionality to use the iPad as an external display, and iOS 8 sound perfect to me.

I think Apple will add a key board to a iPad air or touch to a mac book air.

There is a possibility Apple could add a emulator to run IOS apps on OSX if they ever add touch.

This would be the killer app since Apple OSX doesn't have many apps.

Merging the two OS's is still away off.

Unfortunately Apple doesn't have a clue about business use in a office that uses Microsoft products. Not sure if any one knows what a spreadsheet looks like. They have no idea why you would want to sort a column or merge a cell. Network drives what are those. VPN and RDP are bad work arounds. They are meant for when you are away from the office, not in the office.

Just the same as they don't have a clue about how to make gaming popular on the Mac. Nothing more fun (sarcasm) than playing a ported 5 year old "NEW" game on a Mac with a keyboard using A,W,A,D and S keys versus a joystick.

The surface on the other hand can run mobile apps and desktop ones and has a keyboard/trackpad that you can use or remove. Bluetooth mouse and hardware stylus support. The Surface was a great idea that surprised Apple. Just as much as the iPhone surprised Google.

Once Microsoft or Apple realize their mistakes they will have a killer device.

The surface needs a 4:3 screen and still needs to be lighter.
Battery life is better but not close to a Apple iPad.

The iPad needs Mouse support and a keyboard/trackpad, the ability to be part of a corporate network and file system and Microsoft products. All is possible but I don't see this happening. I think Microsoft will be the winner for the enterprise market.

I'm still looking for the perfect device.

If someone merged the best of both devices I think they will have a winner.

I'm waiting get to work !
 
Possibly, though I think Apple would be saving all the bug fixes for point releases, while keeping the big changes for the numbered..

ios7 did not seem like that major of a release--mostly icon graphics and the weird aero like transparancy. multi tasking in ios is still a joke
 
An even larger iPad IS a mistake. Time will tell if Apple make this mistake or not.
 
There is a possibility Apple could add a emulator to run IOS apps on OSX if they ever add touch. This would be the killer app since Apple OSX doesn't have many apps.
It seems like such an obvious direction--also a 4:3 surface weighing in at 1-1.5 lbs would be awesome. Perfect device coming? Surface pro and a mini is close enough for now
 
I'm confused with all this, yeah it's great they will be bigger, I see Samsung has a 12" tablet in the works too, but if they just run Android or iOS still then what's the point? When you look at the full blown Windows tablets you can buy which for enterprise usage will destroy iOS and Android?

meh I guess we will have to wait and see what they actually do with them, then again maybe Apple will stick OSX on it? You never know.

If it runs OS X it'll be a Mac, not an iPad. Hopefully it'll run iOS, but mean they'll improve iOS feature wise.

We didn't have iMovie for iPhone before the iPad 2, but when it launched there it made it's way to all iOS devices. Hopefully all iOS devices will benefit, and become more advance, and the 12" iPad will be the hardware to accompany it.
 
Apple needs to work on iOS7's lack of group code email capability before they run off into Enterprise land. Only feature that I miss from my old Blackberry, but seems like a no brainer.
 
English is the most widely-spoken language on the planet, in literally hundreds of distinct dialects.

English is the most widely spread language across the world, but only the third most spoken. The first two are Mandarin Chinese and Hindi. There's nearly three times as many people who speak Mandarin than English.

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ios7 did not seem like that major of a release--mostly icon graphics and the weird aero like transparancy. multi tasking in ios is still a joke

Eh. It's a lot better than what it was. I think it's great for jumping between apps quickly, but still needs a lot of work when it comes to using two or more apps together.

If I'm being honest, I'd say Metro is probably the best touch multitasker of the bunch at the moment. Being able to dock apps side by side is pretty handy.
 
This will be a game changer. Coming from any other companies, I'd say the idea is ridiculous, but Apple will give it a sense of purpose - I just love how they can dictate my needs.
 
the ipad board is quite small. it could fit in the mac air lid and turn into a ipad device when the screen is disconnected. then a macbook air with osx when a keyboard is attached. I know I would buy one.
 
Will you actually be able to attach a file to an existing email by the time this gets out?

There is nothing "enterprise" about ios.
 
English is the most widely spread language across the world, but only the third most spoken. The first two are Mandarin Chinese and Hindi. There's nearly three times as many people who speak Mandarin than English.

I'd like to see some backup for that point. In many places where other languages are spoken and/or native, English is the second or third language. This is especially true in India and Africa. English is spoken in one form or another by something like 40% of the world's people. I doubt Mandarin or Hindi are that well distributed.
 
re: iOS device limitations

In theory, you're correct about this. But the big problem, IMO, is more the artificially imposed limitations. Apple has certain boundaries they feel iOS devices aren't really supposed to cross. Some of these are for, IMO, sound reasons (attempts to ensure the user experience isn't overly confusing, etc.). Others are just to help ward off potential competition or CYA actions on Apple's part to avoid potential lawsuits.

Here's one example for you. Like many people, I started dabbling in crypto-currencies. With the right video card (basically any of the ATI Radeon 79xx series or newer R9 280x or 290/290x series), a desktop PC (or even a Mac Pro tower with the Mac version of the 7950?) can act as a miner for such coins as Litecoin. Obviously, iOS devices are useless for mining these crypto-coins, as they lack the graphics card chipset required to do it.

But fine ... let's call that more of a "server task" and ignore that. Still, there's the other half of the equation. You need "wallet" software that downloads the block-chain and indicated how many of these coins you possess at a given time. Well, thanks to Apple's arbitrary restrictions -- none of these programs are allowed on iOS!


I'm amazed when people talk about limitations of an iOS device. There is nothing that an iPad Air can't do that a medium laptop can. It all depends on the application. There are several very complex apps on the App Store that do amazing things. I hear a lot od people complaining they can't access iOS file system. The thing is: you don't need that! Simple apps will not expose it. Complex apps can expose it by either working with local folders or cloud folders. There are plenty of apps that already do that. Apps like GoodPlayer, for instance, allows you to save videos locally or remotely and you can structure it in foldes. There are several methods of retrieving and and saving files. If an app doesn't allow something, it's not a limitation of the OS, it's the applications itself. iOS has several ways to share and transfer files between applications. The developers of the applications need to know how to do it. The most updated form of sharing files is through the cloud. Mobile devices can do that very well using services like Dropbox, iCloud, Google Drive for simple applications or Amazon storage, etc. for business. I sincerely can't see any business application or process that can't be implemented in an iOS device.
 
I'd like to see some backup for that point. In many places where other languages are spoken and/or native, English is the second or third language. This is especially true in India and Africa. English is spoken in one form or another by something like 40% of the world's people. I doubt Mandarin or Hindi are that well distributed.

Ahh, you're probably right then. I was basing my number only on primary speakers, which Mandarin beats out by a huge margin. But yeah, with English being considered the unofficial language of global business, it's spoken at least occasionally by an absolutely massive amount of people all across the world.
 
In theory, you're correct about this. But the big problem, IMO, is more the artificially imposed limitations. Apple has certain boundaries they feel iOS devices aren't really supposed to cross. Some of these are for, IMO, sound reasons (attempts to ensure the user experience isn't overly confusing, etc.). Others are just to help ward off potential competition or CYA actions on Apple's part to avoid potential lawsuits.

Here's one example for you. Like many people, I started dabbling in crypto-currencies. With the right video card (basically any of the ATI Radeon 79xx series or newer R9 280x or 290/290x series), a desktop PC (or even a Mac Pro tower with the Mac version of the 7950?) can act as a miner for such coins as Litecoin. Obviously, iOS devices are useless for mining these crypto-coins, as they lack the graphics card chipset required to do it.

But fine ... let's call that more of a "server task" and ignore that. Still, there's the other half of the equation. You need "wallet" software that downloads the block-chain and indicated how many of these coins you possess at a given time. Well, thanks to Apple's arbitrary restrictions -- none of these programs are allowed on iOS!
I've got a Chromecast for Christmas. What an nice little piece of hardware with a lot of potential. It has few apps, one of them being youtube. Once you set the video you want to watch on the phone, it broadcasts directly from Chromecast to the TV. It does it very well without any problems. But when you want to play movie files local to your computer, Google offered the option to play it via Google Chrome. The problem is that it does a horrible job - its frame rate is very low and the movie constantly gets stuck. Some independant developers created a couple of applications for the Mac and Windows to broadcast local movies in a very smooth way with a descent frame rate. Google found out about it and remotely updated every Chromecast firmware automatically so those apps would stop working. Apple is not the only company that controls their products as they wish so it conforms to their interests.
 
I do not think a 12 inch device per say is what business or productivity users are looking at...If it is a bigger ipad air then i really do not see much point..I think apple will look to open up a new market segment and come out with a device that is different in functionality than the air or the mini..Perhaps a new UI and many productivity apps not previously seen on the ipad family..If this is something that tim cook and co believe in sincerely then i think that they'll look to create a new category of devices alltogether..a 12 inch device running ios7 is pretty much the same as an iphone , ipad mini or an ipad air..this in itself will not provide much impotus to businesses or to the development community..It would be interesting to see where apple goes with this! Perhaps apple could launch this along with an Iphone-pro alongside IOS8..
 
Ahh, you're probably right then. I was basing my number only on primary speakers, which Mandarin beats out by a huge margin. But yeah, with English being considered the unofficial language of global business, it's spoken at least occasionally by an absolutely massive amount of people all across the world.

Well, we basically agree on the main point. Thinking about this makes me want to sit down and watch the old Robert MacNeil "Story of English" series again. Or maybe the chauvinists among us should. It would certainly disabuse them of any notions about one people having mastery over the language.
 
Congrats. Dumbest assertion on the Interwebs today. Followed with a close second by some of the posts responding to it.

Sure. Apple looks at the BOM cost and decided to create a product based on maximizing cost. Second, Apple wants to create a product targeted at the "enterprise".

Do people understand NOTHING about Apple? They are entirely consistent.
 
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