Apple Said to Debut New iPad Pro Lineup, 128GB iPhone SE, and Red iPhone 7 and 7 Plus at March Event

[MKevin3]

Yes but the iPhone and iPad are not Mac's, they were built for Touch in mind (hence iOS) Touch on computer is not a great thing, the Surface isn't better than an iPad at being and tablet nor is it better than a Mac at being a computer because it's trying to do be 2 different things. And your comment about "what's expected" is going against everything that Apple has stood for, they don't do what's expected, it ws Steve Jobs who said "people don't know what they want until you give it to them"

Touchscreen on a Mac is a bad idea, iPad's and iPhones are meant for Touch and Mac's are meant for point and click.

Have you had that chance to use a touch screen laptop of any period of time? While I don't find it to be a requirement I find it to be pretty useful. Since I am accustomed to using a phone touching the screen makes a lot of sense. I can tap the [OK] button during installs, launch apps, scroll up and down, all the stuff I do daily on my phone happens on my screen. I don't use it for everything but when I want to use it, generally when doing lazy reading of articles on the web, standard install stuff or testing mobile apps in the emulator, it comes in really handy.

My personal laptop is an Asus 17" with touchscreen. It has 24GB of RAM, 256GB SSD, 1T HDD, full keyboard with numeric keypad. Gives it a number of features I could not get on a Mac laptop all for $1300 USD. I enjoy the touchscreen more than I thought I would.

My work machine is a MacBook Pro, 15", 16GB of RAM, 256GM SSD that is nearly fully. Fine machine but wish I could get a bigger screen, more RAM and a bigger SSD (which is available on the newer models).

 

[Dave245]

Yeah funny that Craig would mention that.. He'd hardly say, we're wrong and the only reason we continue this is to sell two items to a customer when one would do.

Or it really is a bad experience and they won't do it because it's been tested.

 

[itsmilo]

Running the same boring un-optimized iOS 10 for iPad? What is even the point

 

[niun]

So your saying that those of us who don't want a touchscreen Mac, shouldn't use a Mac? Sorry but that's just silly. I don't see Apple doing it anyway, because they know and have tested how bad of an expensive it is. So really it will be those who want the touchscreen Mac who will be saying goodbye.

You realise you don't have to touch the screen right? It's not compulsory.. On a Surface you do not have to touch the screen. It's an option.. You can use Pen, Mouse, Trackpad, keyboard... Voice!!

 

[BoltmanLives]

So your saying that those of us who don't want a touchscreen Mac, shouldn't use a Mac? Sorry but that's just silly. I don't see Apple doing it anyway, because they know and have tested how bad of an expensive it is. So really it will be those who want the touchscreen Mac who will be saying goodbye.

No, i'm saying the stubborn non-touch Mac (emoji bar or not) sales numbers will dwindle and Apl will kill it then. The only way Mac survives is touch as a basic add on, and merging two OS's. What are we going to do add yet another OS for the glasses...getting ridiculous don't you think?

 

[niun]

Or it really is a bad experience and they won't do it because it's been tested.

No that's BS.. Apple used to be dreamers and doers.
They have the designers and developers to do it and do it perfectly.

Apple dug a hole and they know they're wrong - Touchbar.

 

[Tapiture]

Steve Jobs is rolling over in his coffin. The iPad lineup was already crowded and now they're making it even more overcrowded. Jobs was right when he said do three options and do them all well.

 

[Dave245]

Have you had that chance to use a touch screen laptop of any period of time?

Yea, I've tried a Surface which belonged to a friend at the time, and i really didn't like the overall experience and what it was trying to be. I also tried using a Touchscreen laptop that belonged to a friends son for doing his homework on, it felt so wrong touching the screen on a laptop, also the precision wasn't there, most of the time he didn't use the touchscreen and reverted to just using it to type on the keyboard, eventually they brought him an iPad and sold the computer. My other friend with the Surface stopped using it and eventually got a laptop instead. Obviously it comes down to personal preference, but I just don't think Touch is suited to something like a computer, it's great on a phone and a tablet.
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No that's BS.. Apple used to be dreamers and doers.
They have the designers and developers to do it and do it perfectly.

Apple dug a hole and they know they're wrong - Touchbar.

In your opinion.
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No, i'm saying the stubborn non-touch Mac (emoji bar or not) sales numbers will dwindle and Apl will kill it then. The only way Mac survives is touch as a basic add on, and merging two OS's. What are we going to do add yet another OS for the glasses...getting ridiculous don't you think?

I personally think your wrong, I don't think people are that bothered about Touch on a computer (laptop or otherwise) in fact the new Macbook Pro's sold quite well. Who's to say they are going to do glasses? It's only a wild rumour at this point, but we will see.

 

[niun]

but I just don't think Touch is suited to something like a computer, it's great on a phone and a tablet.

IMO The beauty of a hybrid. One device to do everything. Touch when it's needed, keyboard and trackpad when it's not.

Oh I should point out that as much as I detest Apple's roadmap / pipeline for it's complete lack of imagination and excitement, I'm not against people buying as much Apple equipment as possible to keep that share price pumped.

 

[BoltmanLives]

Yea, I've tried a Surface which belonged to a friend at the time, and i really didn't like the overall experience and what it was trying to be. I also tried using a Touchscreen laptop that belonged to a friends son for doing his homework on, it felt so wrong touching the screen on a laptop, also the precision wasn't there, most of the time he didn't use the touchscreen and reverted to just using it to type on the keyboard, eventually they brought him an iPad and sold the computer. My other friend with the Surface stopped using it and eventually got a laptop instead. Obviously it comes down to personal preference, but I just don't think Touch is suited to something like a computer, it's great on a phone and a tablet.
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In your opinion.
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I personally think your wrong, I don't think people are that bothered about Touch on a computer (laptop or otherwise) in fact the new Macbook Pro's sold quite well. Who's to say they are going to do glasses? It's only a wild rumour at this point, but we will see.

"..new Macbook Pro's sold quite well" it was what 4 years ? Perhaps pent up demand for "any mac" simply look at this thread. like Iphone 6 going big ...hmm then "meh"

Its like a starving person, food is good

 

[dogslobber]

A 9.7" AND a 10.5" iPad at the same time? Way to confuse your average potential iPad buyer. Already they have the useless 12.5" model so instead of simplifying the user's buying decision, they confused them more. Which lesson from Steve did Apple Marketing forget this time? Why is it so hard to continue to run the company with Steve's philosophy? Stop messing up, Apple!

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Not debating your points, Chupa Chupa.

What is clear is that the feature-sets are staggered and not synchronized -- those sets appear haphhazard from the outside-looking-in, and unexplained. Why?

Hell, who knows? Not even the Shadow knows! LOL!

But a trend is apparently coming thru (if you believe the rumors): displays are in transition to edge-to-edge OLED, due to physical attributes of flexibility and power efficiencies. That is what I meant with technology in transition and availability.

On the iPad Mini 4, my wife loves it for its light-weight and small size, used for email, iMessage, and FaceBook posts. I am never granted access to it, unless it is for technical reasons (LOL!).

My wife never misses the TouchID sensor as this iPad never leaves the house. (As a matter of fact, she bitches about the calibration of the TouchID on her SE.) And, I do not see her wanting to update to an incremental iPad Mini unless the new version inherits an edge-to-edge display, while preserving its 7.9-inch footprint and weight.

Right, but OP's point was the lineup is confusing, not that it's not good product. My retort to him that it was a mirror of management rests in the idea it was unsure of the path it wanted to take iPad because the updates have been so haphazard by choice, not because technology wasn't available.

And no iPad is ever as advanced as the current iPhone even as Apple tells PC users the iPad Pro is the perfect PC replacement. It doesn't make sense. Does the iPhone really compete with the iPad? And even if so Apple constantly says it's not concerned with one of its products cannibalizing another. In the mean time you need a score card to figure out which iPad has which features. Now if Apple wants to add a new size or two, good grief.

 

[Dave245]

"..new Macbook Pro's sold quite well" it was what 4 years ? Perhaps pent up demand for "any mac" simply look at this thread. like Iphone 6 going big ...hmm then "meh"

Its like a starving person, food is good

Only time will tell, but I don't think the Mac is going to go away.

 

[MacDarcy]

I like the idea of Apple going bezel-less on the 10.5" iPad Pro....which would have the same physical size roughly as the mid range 9.7" iPad Pro. But I wonder why Apple wouldn't go bezel-less across the iPad Pro line up then? Seems odd to me. Why do it with only one? If they were only going to go bezel-less one model, It would almost make more sense to do it to the 12.9" model wouldn't it? To shrink its physical size down a bit. I dunno.

Also, if the 10.5" bezel-less iPad Pro will be roughly the same physical size as the 9.7" iPad Pro, why have both? Seems redundant to me.

Personally, I've been waiting for an iPad mini Pro. So I am happy that they might actually be announced finally. But I have a question. If Apple does release bezel-less iPads across the board, wouldn't the 9.7" bezel-less iPad technically replace the iPad mini? So many questions! Lol.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

And for those who are wondering about iMac updates, Apple usually updates them in May-June or Oct-November. Usually.

 

[robeddie]

Maybe you'll get a coal white one? Or an ivory black one? How about a lemon purple one? A sky orange one?

Ok, back to you!
Your turn to say some really really really nonsensical color names that no company would ever in a million years use to describe a shade, you know, because it's like opposite of the color.

Lol, I think theres still a few people out there who when they hear 'jet' black, they think its just another way of saying 'really' black. They dont realize 'jet' is a kind of black.

So when hes asking for a 'jet' white phone, he thinks hes asking for one thats really white.

 

[MH01]

Big fan of the product red . Geez a red edition might be tempting. Though iPhone 8 is just around the corner

 

[nutriousmitten]

Very interesting. Surprised the edge to edge display. which is basically what the Iphone 8 will look like, is being released as Ipad form first.
Wonder if the "Air" Moniker will be used on that...as the Air 3. To that end, wonder what specs it has...has to differ from the IPP 9.7 (my guess is that it gets a lesser spec, and the screen is the selling feature there) which is why it'd be called Air 3.

As for the Pros, somewhat surprised if the article is true and the Mini gains Pro status. A tiny keyboard and another SKU for a keyboard? And is it really a creation device that would make use of the pencil? (I'm guessing a smaller pencil comes out with this March release). Seems like overkill.

Don't get me wrong, updated specs of the Mini to basically be the same specs as the current 9.7 Pro would make my Ipad purchase decision very tough. And upgrading the 9.7 IPP to the A10/A10X, adding a bit more Ram, would make that even better. And then there's a bigger screen in the same 9.7 format, with possible specs as the current 9.7 IPP, which is a beast already. Pardon the cliche, but decisions decisions.

Finally, too much to expect a spec bump past the storage of the SE? If they upgraded the processor and or ram of that as wel...

 

[DUIduckSAUCE]

A 9.7" AND a 10.5" iPad at the same time? Way to confuse your average potential iPad buyer. Already they have the useless 12.5" model so instead of simplifying the user's buying decision, they confused them more. Which lesson from Steve did Apple Marketing forget this time? Why is it so hard to continue to run the company with Steve's philosophy? Stop messing up, Apple!

Apple has become the most valuable company in the world under cooks leadership. Looks like they are doing just fine without their cult leader.

 

[TallManNY]

I think I'm going to upgrade my Air 2 to a Pro. Not sure what size. But I can see Pencil support for writing on documents as fitting in nicely into my workflow. Since I've transitioned my work entirely to cloud storage at this point, I can see this as a partial PC replacement (like for weekend work, not full nine-hour days). The Air 2 is great and it will be handed down to a family member.

 

[arkitect]

Maybe you'll get a coal white one? Or an ivory black one?
Ok, back to you!
Your turn to say some really really really nonsensical color names that no company would ever in a million years use to describe a shade, you know, because it's like opposite of the color.

Well actually Ivory Black is a recognised and quite popular pigment for artists.
Made from charred bones, aka Bone Black.

 

[Dave245]

Apple has become the most valuable company in the world under cooks leadership. Looks like they are doing just fine without their cult leader.

But i thought Tim Cook and Jony I've need to be fired and Apple was doomed?

 

[DUIduckSAUCE]

Lol, I think theres still a few people out there who when they hear 'jet' black, they think its just another way of saying 'really' black. They dont realize 'jet' is a kind of black.

So when hes asking for a 'jet' white phone, he thinks hes asking for one thats really white.

Jet is a black mineral. The rumors refer to jet white. I think that's why most people are calling it this.

 

[BoltmanLives]

Apple has become the most valuable company in the world under cooks leadership. Looks like they are doing just fine without their cult leader.

Getting worse though...

The company's market cap broke $700 billion, but it is still about $70 billion short of where it was the last time Apple's individual share price approached $133 two years ago. And despite the tech giant's high stock price, the actual performance of the company is worse than it was in 2015, with 16 percent lower net income and earnings per share down 9 percent.

Not a good direction..bad

 

[Journojulz]

iPad mini pro please. I like a pocket sized iPad and want to use the pencil.

 

[DUIduckSAUCE]

Getting worse though...

The company's market cap broke $700 billion, but it is still about $70 billion short of where it was the last time Apple's individual share price approached $133 two years ago. And despite the tech giant's high stock price, the actual performance of the company is worse than it was in 2015, with 16 percent lower net income and earnings per share down 9 percent.

All good things must come to an end.