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Apple Says 1,000 Fraudulent Reviews Were Detected Across Two Accounts Owned by 'Dash' Developer [Update: Developer Responds]
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Two years. Two years ago he was first notified about this. How is that not advance warning?
As opposed to all the people who chimed in right at the start even when they hardly knew anything about what was going on?
http://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy
What did I miss?
No. The First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech. This is an issue between two private parties.
No, he was not informed. They were two developer accounts with two email addresses. To me it does not matter if they were linked by the same credit card. I pay apps for my family, does it make me linked and responsible for my relatives' actions? Should my app store account be deleted when they do something wrong, without contacting ME ?
So his sister, who he bought the account for, and who spent those two years making fake reviews on just happened not to mention the communication? How gullible do you have to be to believe that?
I believe both sides.
Why? Because the combined stories make a lot more sense than either one on there own like where we were last week.
Dash sounds pretty hurt and he's probably been through the mill over the period of this. I can empathise.
No public comments I've read here or previously suggest he was guilty. The opposite in fact.
Why would he need to get involved in fraud to promote already successful and well respected app(s)?
Apple isn't run by mad men. They felt they were right and "Phil", was "happy".
Posting the phone conversation looks to me like a wounded animal biting back.
Quote "Tonight Apple decided to accuse me of manipulating the App Store in public via a spokesperson."
Sounds like apple maybe got ahead of themselves and didn't leave him time to mull it over and just write up his side of the story about the "relative" he was trying to help out.
I think the media is making this worse. Perhaps time we just left both alone to kiss and make up and get back to work.
Why? Because the combined stories make a lot more sense than either one on there own like where we were last week.
Dash sounds pretty hurt and he's probably been through the mill over the period of this. I can empathise.
No public comments I've read here or previously suggest he was guilty. The opposite in fact.
Why would he need to get involved in fraud to promote already successful and well respected app(s)?
Apple isn't run by mad men. They felt they were right and "Phil", was "happy".
Posting the phone conversation looks to me like a wounded animal biting back.
Quote "Tonight Apple decided to accuse me of manipulating the App Store in public via a spokesperson."
Sounds like apple maybe got ahead of themselves and didn't leave him time to mull it over and just write up his side of the story about the "relative" he was trying to help out.
I think the media is making this worse. Perhaps time we just left both alone to kiss and make up and get back to work.
NOT! The only thing the Apple spokesperson was worried about was to make it appear as Apple "did not make a mistake". But they did. They did not do sufficient due diligence: they did not warn him (only the other account), and they thought the two accounts were linked.
One can only speculate about what is their relationship like. I know quite a few people who stopped talking to each other for years, so what?
Apple's role is not to make assumptions, it should just behave normally - if you do something to an entity, talk to the entity.
So they stopped talking but she continued to make 1000 fake reviews. Who is this this supposed to make sense to? it does not even vaguely pass as truth.
She did not do fake review of his apps. She did fake reviews of the other developer's (=her) apps. Why should he be aware of that?
The bottomline is: their relation is irrelevant and none of our or Apple's business. Apple's business was to inform ALL the accounts they were deactivating prior to doing so, which they failed to do.
I can only speak for myself but there's lots of things my sisters do that they don't tell me about.. especially if it's something that would piss me off.
Good god. You're determined, in the face of all reasonable evidence, to try to put this on Apple. By the way all those apps that are "hers"?
https://software.com/publisher/kapeli
"com.kapeli.*"
I have a bridge to sell you my gullible friend...
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Yeah yeah, Big Bad Apple doesn't want profit for, um, reasons and attacked this poor, innocent developer. Laughable, honestly.
Why is this surprising? It's a relative with the same last name. If they only want to use their last name that's how it would show
Having just listened to the recording of his phone call with Apple I have come to 3 conclusions:
1. Apple have bent over backwards to give this guy a chance to reinstate his developer account. The guy on the call was extremely professional and fair.
2. The developer's tone during that call was a bit offhand and far from appreciative that the SVP of Marketing of the largest company in the world actually cared enough to make this call happen!
3. Recording the call with Apple and making it public was the final nail in the coffin. He can probably expect a demand from Apple to take down that recording immediately and in my opinion has little to no chance of ever doing business with Apple again. Phil Schiller will be furious and rightly so.
THE END
Exactly. The developer sounds extremely… stupid. Frankly.
I doubt that would ever happen, those kind of folks rarely learn from their mistakes.. it doesn't fit their agenda.
Why is this surprising? It's a relative with the same last name. If they only want to use their last name that's how it would show
It might be helpful to know what you're talking about. Reverse domain notation (aka organization identifier) is unique on the app store
This isn't that weird. She probably doesn't have a website and he probably the told her to use that once years before and she kept pasting that over and over.
And it's pretty irrelevant if you think about it. If Apple is ready to admit him back they think there was no fraud from his part.
You misunderstand. The Bundle ID has to be unique, and it is. "com.kapeli.dashdoc" is different than "com.kapeli.dockview". It wouldn't be possible for Dash to be on one account and all the other apps under the other Kapeli to be on another if what you are saying was true.
All he had to do was admit his wrongdoing and instead he pulled this stunt recording the call. He's never getting back on the App Store.
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I don't. ORGANISATION IDENTIFIER. The clue is in the name. All the apps are his and on his account.
No... There are two different dev accounts in question. His that had Dash and the relative which was connected with all the fraud and the other Apps you listed. That's not the "organization identifier" as you keep calling it anyways. The Team ID is something different which is generated by Apple.
It's really fun reading the comments ore and post edit. Some goof as far as telling people to look in the mirror. Oops!
I had something similar happen in YouTube channel. I just didn't care enough to fight it. Turns out my friend was giving me fraudulent views in hopes it would help. Wish that hadn't happened but that's life lol.
I had something similar happen in YouTube channel. I just didn't care enough to fight it. Turns out my friend was giving me fraudulent views in hopes it would help. Wish that hadn't happened but that's life lol.
The Apple rep. on the phone with the developer talked about "two accounts" being linked. Since there are two of them, there is a distinction. If there is a distinction, they should be treated (and contacted) separately.
I am beginning to think the person we are responding to hasn't read the articles or listen to the recording. They think that Bogdan Popescu, the developer of Dash, had many Apps on his account when that wasn't the case.
Honestly, it's laughable. Sock puppets or just people (with remarkably low post counts) desperate to see apple as the enemy. Doesn't matter. He committed massive fraud and is out. Enjoy