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No mention of this on Apple's site, and why would they get out of the display business and then announce in a year from now they will be getting back into it? They also never comment on future updates, why would anyone buy an iMac now with their comment today?
Perhaps the LG was a stopgap, just as this lightly refreshed Mac Pro. Apple seems to be working on a much more radical redesign than was thought.
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yes. in 2016/17, the world is still reliant on USB-A devices. While most devices can just have a cable replacement to be fine (like external hard drives)

there ARE items that require USB-A and have no USB-C devices that can replace them. Forcing to remember to need a dongle.

For example: Going to clientsites and having to use their USB sticks. They're going to be USB-A. 100% of the time. Servers don't have USB-C (yet), and enterprises aren't going to be replacing their expensive and fancy server infrastructure just to support USB-C

There are also still many cases of in the enterprise where USB-A "smart card" services are used. Dongles for security, and these are predominantly USB-A.

Then when you factor in that despite having 4x USB-C/TB3, the new MBP doesn't even offer full TB3 bandwidth to all 4 ports. only the two on the left offer the full TB3 speed. the two on the right only offer 1/2 TB3 speed due to PCI Lane limitations.

There would have been no problem with 3x USB-C and 1x USB-A on this device and it would have shut everyone up.

Instead they were "Courageous!" and made a decision that negatively impacts a lot of users because they can't use empathy to understand their own use cases aren't universally true
The Dell XPS 13 doesn't offer full TB-3 bandwidth on its ONLY TB-3 port. The "limited bandwidth" is still equivalent to TB-2 and faster than USB 3.1 Gen 2.

What's so hard about carrying a USB-C to A adapter? It has the same functionality as 3 TB-3 plus the 1 USB-A that you suggest.
 
So.. Apple waited 3 years before giving thought to a serious Mac Pro update and now it's going to take another year, so 4 years for an update? I've waited long enough for the Mac Pro 7,1. I'm in the middle of investigating / picking parts for my Hackintosh project at half the price or less. And I'm not going to wait for another year.

Yes, seems to be the MBP story all over again. Lacklustre updates, done in a rush after sales have well and truly tanked. What do they all do all day at Apple apart from tinker with new iPhones and choose soft furnishings for their new palace? It's positive (and uncharacteristic) that they've now said something about the future of the Mac Pro and iMac, and made a modest update to the MacPro. But in doing this I think they've made it obvious that "pro" machines are not their priority, and haven't been for the last few years. How on earth is it reasonable that they're apparently only getting serious about a new Mac Pro now?
 
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To me, it says that Schiller has lost a lot of internal arguments at Apple in the past few years and now has finally won an argument concerning the Mac Pro. But is it too late? MS already offers the latest pro systems so will Apple pro users be able to hold out another year+?

Yes, I think this strange announcement confirms that Tim Cook - and Apple - have zero real interest in pro machines, and that anyone at Apple who did, is long gone. Now they're letting Phil Spiller cobble something together to keep the complaining "pros" happy. How else can you explain Apple going so completely against their usual secretive approach to new products? They're doing this because it's a niche product for a minority of noisy "opinion makers", who they want to quieten down. But in the broader sense, they don't have their hearts in products like this at all. It's certainly no coincidence that Tim Cook wasn't there.
 
Given the response over the last few years that led to their conference today, I think this is also another finger in the wind moment. They want to see how placated those who were unhappy with their direction will be with this verbal acknowledgment of it's unpopularity. If the overall reaction is still lukewarm or generally pissed off that it's going to be another year it's conceivable that we will see a redesigned Mac Pro far sooner than they are letting on...

But I wouldn't count on it.

True. They won't do anything that they don't feel they have to do. Apple has shifted from being a corporation that would do some KILLER stuff, just because it was 'Killer', to a company that seems to be looking over its shoulder and trying to feed the bureaucracy and not the customers. So, in other words, just like ever other corporation that loses it's focus and it's heart.

The trash can pro was an interesting idea, but the warped view of 'skinny' has ripped the soul out of the damn thing. Big was good. Air flow is great. Upgradability is amazing. They made a 'box', and that 'box' had little way for improvement. It would be tempting to make a 'Mac Pro', and make it a 'box' with no lid to open to put 'stuff' into it. The Mac Pro isn't a car. Not many people change their engine in their car, but some tweak the (car) computer, the airflow... The new Mac Pro CAN'T BE A CLOSED BOX! 'Pro's' can't be saddled with another closed 'box'.

I'm not a pro, and yet I'm damn tired of using a closed 'box'.

EDIT: I remember a time when Apple wouldn't hobble a product to save another product line. Not so much anymore. Hobble the Mac Mini when it starts eating into the mac pro line? Kill the server? Sounds like some turf wars are developing at Apple. It's sad... Counting pennies isn't very conducive to the maverick atmosphere of the early Apple.

The pirates are dead?
 
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It's a flawed design so they have to. They waited years to do so because they hoped software would catch up to it (as in support multi-GPU scaling). When it was clear it wouldn't, they started working on a replacement - and have been doing so probably a fair bit before today.

In a decade we'll speak of the 2013 Mac Pro like we do now of the 2000 Power Mac Cube - an elegant design that wasn't functional in the real world.
I bet they haven't even started the redesign.
 
I hope by modular they don't mean donglegate-modular :rolleyes:

And if they do go that way, money is on the idea that none of the dongles will work across the Apple corral...
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Waiting until the fourth quarter of 2018 to deliver on this promise is also way too long.

Yep...
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The problem is, they're designing products for general consumer use as the primary reason these days. As much as we dislike it, the hardcore who love the Mac and want open systems to tinker with are a very small niche. I'm honestly surprised they reversed course on the Mac Pro. Smart move though, as even if there's less profit in this niche, you need to appeal to them as they're the ones who will also push Apple products to their circles as well.

That Mac Pro over 3 years must have a damn interesting story. They effed it up big time. I bet it wasn't so much that they had their eyes closed and didn't realize, but more that internally there was a lot of debate over it. I can easily imagine some really want to look forward with iOS and didn't want to put energy/resources into the Mac or Mac Pro at all, but some really fought for it. And for whatever reason it took this long for something to come of it.

There is no way that the 'trash can' Pro is for 'general consumer's. Like DAMN, to really use the Pro, you have to realize that you need some big cash for an array, killer HUGE monitors, etc...
 
Perhaps someone pointed out to Tim what happens to companies that rely mostly on one product (Nokia). I'd say the board or some major shareholders threatened him. Perhaps now we'll see more regular product refreshes and less virtue signalling.
 
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The problem is, they're designing products for general consumer use as the primary reason these days. As much as we dislike it, the hardcore who love the Mac and want open systems to tinker with are a very small niche. I'm honestly surprised they reversed course on the Mac Pro. Smart move though, as even if there's less profit in this niche, you need to appeal to them as they're the ones who will also push Apple products to their circles as well.

Actually, I think the 'open and tinker' is an overlapping, but separate segment of pros. The big problem with the 'trash can' design is GPU-related. It doesn't have enough external bandwidth the kind of GPU power that could be internal in the previous gen, and the GPUs weren't upgradable. That isn't so much about open and tinker, as it is just an inherent design problem and mis-read of the market segment.

For example, lets say they keep the 'trash can' design, but come out with an external add-on for plug-and-play eGPU extendability. I'd guess most pros would be fine with that, even if they couldn't open and tinker. The hobbyist / gamer / experimenter crowd would't be... but those are different people often.

As for timing and 'throwing them a bone' I don't think Apple is quite ready to face the exodus of the pros quite yet. I'm not sure that will still be the story in 5 years. I think they have to do another round or two. But, I'm not going to believe they are solidly committed until I see more work on the software front.

Yes, I think this strange announcement confirms that Tim Cook - and Apple - have zero real interest in pro machines, and that anyone at Apple who did, is long gone. Now they're letting Phil Spiller cobble something together to keep the complaining "pros" happy. How else can you explain Apple going so completely against their usual secretive approach to new products? They're doing this because it's a niche product for a minority of noisy "opinion makers", who they want to quieten down. But in the broader sense, they don't have their hearts in products like this at all. It's certainly no coincidence that Tim Cook wasn't there.

Yes, I see this very much as a damage control effort. Tim's comments and Apple's actions make the farther future pretty clear, IMO. They need to stop the bleeding... for now. And, that Ferengi guy... what planet is he from? :) He's certainly not in touch with reality or Apple's Mac base.

Apple has shifted from being a corporation that would do some KILLER stuff, just because it was 'Killer', to a company that seems to be looking over its shoulder and trying to feed the bureaucracy and not the customers. So, in other words, just like ever other corporation that loses it's focus and it's heart.

Bingo. They've lost their soul. It's about pie-charts and profits, not UX and making the best stuff, anymore. And, like every other corporation, they'll now be replaced with someone who is actually innovating and caring about their customers. But, with Billions in the bank and huge brand-cachet, it's going to take a good long time. But, remember Microsoft? Did any of us ever think Apple would even approach the size of M$, let along eclipse them? Apple now has their Ballmer at the helm.

The trash can pro was an interesting idea, but the warped view of 'skinny' has ripped the soul out of the damn thing. Big was good. Air flow is great. Upgradability is amazing. They made a 'box', and that 'box' had little way for improvement.

As I said above, I'm not sure most pros care if it's 'open' or 'closed.' But, it has to meet their needs. The 'trash can' was revolutionary for what it is... it just missed the mark of what it needed to be. TB was mature enough to handle external storage, but not GPU. Plus, it adds a ton of cost to an already expensive system.

I don't care so much if the next Mac Pro is closed, if it's done right. Heck, bring back the 'cheese grater' with new internals. Or, go modular like the 'trash can' with *acceptable modules* and comparable pricing. Either work, but the previous attempt wasn't either.
 
I remember reading about a job posting for Nvidia engineers to join Apple to work on graphics stuff for the future. I hope this means we'll see some decent GPUs in the future Mac Pro, rather than the already outdated, over-priced stuff to date. Nvidia GTX1080Ti or AMD Vega. mmmmmm yum....

Given Craig Federighi seems to be involved, I'm hoping OSX gets the latest and greatest versions of graphics APIs (openGL, openCL, mantle, CUDA etc), to make use of the new hardware.
 
So.. Apple waited 3 years before giving thought to a serious Mac Pro update and now it's going to take another year, so 4 years for an update? I've waited long enough for the Mac Pro 7,1. I'm in the middle of investigating / picking parts for my Hackintosh project at half the price or less. And I'm not going to wait for another year.

Thats probably why they felt the need to hold this press-ish conference. The number people with your viewpoint is growing larger and larger and even though they are still a year-ish away, they felt that they needed to plug what bleeding they could before all the "waiters" like you and me left for a hackintosh or a *shudder* windows machine.
 
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"All-New Modular Model With Apple-Branded Pro Display"
So they will provide a display with build in GPUs and USB connectors to make the MacBook pro the Mac Pro....

Sad they are not providing any updates to the current Mac Pro. Makes me thing is it worth to invest to a Mac again...
 
"All-New Modular Model With Apple-Branded Pro Display"
So they will provide a display with build in GPUs and USB connectors to make the MacBook pro the Mac Pro....

Gosh, I'm hoping that's not it. It's kind of interesting of the 'pro display' mention though. That's probably because of the lack of new displays and 3rd party ones. Supposedly true pros need a Mac and an Apple display?

I'm reading 'modular' as in continuing with some of what the 'trash can' is, in using TB3 for expansion, vs a huge box where you stuff everything inside. *IF* Apple does it right, I think that could work out quite well.
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That's the problem with locking yourself into a single hardware company.

Not really. It worked perfectly fine for about 25 years.
 
Wow. This was a complete and EXTREMELY pleasant surprise. My interest is piqued...and my wallet opened.
 
So much for "Apple displays are dead". This is definitely great news!

Now Apple, would you kindly go back to the router business? Thank you.
 
iPhone and iPad must be running out of gas.

And this is a post where someone doesn't understand how the iPhone correlates to 70% of Apple's net revenue. "Running out of gas" is an extremely ignorant comment not having a full understanding of Apple's core area of sales. I would highly suggest you revisit A Apple's previous quarterly reports indicate where the iPhone currently stands and where the iPad is currently heading. Two different things.
 
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Why is everyone so delighted at the prospect of waiting up to a YEAR or more for new Mac Pros? What the hell has Apple been doing the past couple of years? Y'all have Stockholm syndrome.
 
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That's the problem with locking yourself into a single hardware company.
I understand your love of the macPro but stating thas Apple has lost its way, and is doomed, because they did not update a mac that sells about 10000 ' s a year, is not really worrying, even understandable.
Perhaps not to MacPro users, but you are a tiny drop of water compared to the mainstream market. No offense...
My main concern is that there has been no update on the macmini for all these years, no new entry level mac for the bigger market.
 
I bet they haven't even started the redesign.

how hard can it be?

take the old mac pro,
update it to actuals specs with standard components,
make it black anodized aluminium,
and done!

freaking everybody would be happy with this!

we dont need some apple-invented-special-tour, which isolates us from the pc world!
hard- and software must stay compatible and interchangable!
yes, this costs apple some revenue, because the can't sell proprietary hardware,
but this lets the pros and creatives stay on macos and so keeps the mac world alive!!!

if they do some b$ where u cant pop in a standard nvidia gpu, memory and drives,
then i'm definitely done with apple.

bottomline : USE STANDARDS, STOP DESIGNING!!!
 
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So long as we can upgrade with OTS GPUs as needed, I'm in. If not, forget it.
 
"As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a pro display as well. Now you won’t see any of those products this year; we’re in the process of that. We think it’s really important to create something great for our pro customers who want a Mac Pro modular system, and that’ll take longer than this year to do."

about time! It seems that Apple finaly is taking criticism seriously! My MacPro is from 2010 and it still runs ok-ish, but only because I was able to upgrade almost everything. With the current new MacPro's you can't upgrade that easily, understatement. And the current MacPro's don't have thunderbolt 3 so no external upgrades their either...
Look forward to see a new Mac Pro in 2018, a good year to buy a new Mac Pro setup. Minus monitor I think, because I'm not sure if I'll wait a whole year waiting to buy a new monitor since this year many new HDR 4K with good response time and high Mghz monitors will hit the market.

Anyway, this is very good news.
 
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