lol how’s Apple going to help you, if you’ve got a malware type sideloaded app on you phone.
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Apple Says Allowing Sideloading on iPhone Would Expose Users to Serious Privacy and Security Risks
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That’s simply not true. And why would you want to sideload is it really that important that you need an app not on the store what app could you possibly want. The only way I could see being on the other side is if you were an Android user and just hate iOS or if you’re a malware dev
Sure I just saw 2 scam iOS live wallpaper ads on Instagram in the last 5 minutes. The App Store is a cesspool of scam apps already and Apple is using a bs excuse to keep fkn us…
if you want to do all this amazing innovative stuff just go get an android they are amazing... I'll stick to my iPhone thanks
My iPad Mini 2 still received security updates as of May this year. It still worked great On iOS 12, but I don’t think it would work well on iOS 14. Only a Gig of RAM…
Maybe they want one of the many apps Apple rejects (like xcloud). Maybe they are a developer of one of those said apps. Or maybe a 30% cut makes their app non-viable, or non-competitive against Apple's own services. One can love iOS and not like one part of it. It's not complicated.
If I'm being polite, I'd suggest this is a silly argument. If you don't like one thing about the iPhone you should get an Android? What if you also don't like one thing about Android? Should you go back to an iPhone? Then once back, should you go back to Android because the thing you don't like about the iPhone is still there? "Get an Android" is a cop out. Nothing more. People are allowed to criticize products they own and still own them. They are even allowed to like them despite having flaws they want to see addressed.
I like Apple's tightly integrated hardware (iPhone, Apple Watch, Airpods, Mac). Android doesn't offer that, so why would I switch? I'm still allowed to dislike their app store policies.
Business 101. Build your operating costs into the price of your product. It’s something that has been happening since the beginning of business. Apple is not the first in history to charge for a product, so it’s strange they should be punished for doing so.
I love freedom. I would love to be able to sideload any apps I like.
However -- another aspect of the story is, certain powerful apps, so powerful that you cannot live without it (e.g. WeChat in China), would not play by the rules of AppStore if you can sideload it.
What would be the difference? Compare the permission requirement of WeChat on Android and on iOS. WeChat on Android would not run unless you grant them whatever permission Tencent deemed useful.
Considering this, I would flip and say please do not allow sideloading on iOS.
However -- another aspect of the story is, certain powerful apps, so powerful that you cannot live without it (e.g. WeChat in China), would not play by the rules of AppStore if you can sideload it.
What would be the difference? Compare the permission requirement of WeChat on Android and on iOS. WeChat on Android would not run unless you grant them whatever permission Tencent deemed useful.
Considering this, I would flip and say please do not allow sideloading on iOS.
People fail to realize side loading only harms the user if said device. Apple can allow sideloading and can make you sign a disclaimer.
It only makes the device that sideloads less secure.
Here is another scenario. Apple removes apps from it's store that support old devices and older versions of iOS. Now there is nothing wrong with the hardware except Apple no longer signs the version of iOS and says the device is obsolete.
This is purely about money and if you think it is not, I have some property I'd like to sell you.
Most folks on Android have no clue about sideloading.
There are curated places to get Android software that are not Google. Amazon is one.
It only makes the device that sideloads less secure.
Here is another scenario. Apple removes apps from it's store that support old devices and older versions of iOS. Now there is nothing wrong with the hardware except Apple no longer signs the version of iOS and says the device is obsolete.
This is purely about money and if you think it is not, I have some property I'd like to sell you.
Most folks on Android have no clue about sideloading.
There are curated places to get Android software that are not Google. Amazon is one.
I believe the harm is that if you open up that option then developers would stop hosting their apps on the app store so they can avoid the 30% revenue share. And then as users we would be forced to adopt side-loading as the only way to get apps on the phone.
I'm not arguing for the 30% share, just saying that if you open the floodgates eventually you won't find any apps in the app store.
I'd like to add my voice to those calling for the iPhone to stay locked in. I don't mind my iPad being slowly opened up but the iPhone has so much personal data (location, chats, calls, etc.) that I wouldn't want even a hint of a security breach there. I also depend on it so much to keep my life running that I'd like as much as possible to rule out any instability (bad coding, freezes, crashes, memory leaks, etc.). I want it to just work and am happy to sacrifice functionality for that to happen. Honestly these phones are so advanced at this stage we're really sacrificing very little.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by clipping my post out of context. I don't feel like debating a point I wasn't making.
you have to love America... the home of the entrepreneur, the American dream that anyone can make it etc etc.
and then you have companies that have done just that, and the government tries to destroy them, break them up, water them down, loosen controls away from what they were selling.
Apple dont have a monopoly.
Competition from Android keeps things ticking along. And vice versa.
Microsoft couldnt compete.
Nokia sold out and died until reborn as just another Android device.
consumers buy these devices for a reason.
if you buy Apple most people accept you use the app store. and you know it is largely safe.
you buy Android, you often get a great device at a cheaper price and sometimes live with the OS it came with forever.
you can load apps, you can tinker. and you might get a virus easier.
if you are happy with that but the Android one.
You have this story about breaking the app store, you have another following about Tech Giants needing to be broken up or controlled more.
it's like the government are scared the tech companies run things.
maybe they do.
but so do media companies.
perhaps they are worried if they break the tech consumers will vote them out.
they want to kill things before it gets to that level of influence?
sadly Russians cant vote out their government who insist on state sactioned (and probably spyware) installed as defaults...
and then you have companies that have done just that, and the government tries to destroy them, break them up, water them down, loosen controls away from what they were selling.
Apple dont have a monopoly.
Competition from Android keeps things ticking along. And vice versa.
Microsoft couldnt compete.
Nokia sold out and died until reborn as just another Android device.
consumers buy these devices for a reason.
if you buy Apple most people accept you use the app store. and you know it is largely safe.
you buy Android, you often get a great device at a cheaper price and sometimes live with the OS it came with forever.
you can load apps, you can tinker. and you might get a virus easier.
if you are happy with that but the Android one.
You have this story about breaking the app store, you have another following about Tech Giants needing to be broken up or controlled more.
it's like the government are scared the tech companies run things.
maybe they do.
but so do media companies.
perhaps they are worried if they break the tech consumers will vote them out.
they want to kill things before it gets to that level of influence?
sadly Russians cant vote out their government who insist on state sactioned (and probably spyware) installed as defaults...
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(Bolded) I was simply saying that 30% is neither here nor there, because anyone with any business sense builds it into the cost, and it therefore doesn’t affect the apps ability to be viable or not. Unless the app is crap obviously.
As you can see, I took nothing out of context, merely pointed out the irrelevant statement you made.
Yes the ease of use and tight integration of the eco parts is singularly awesome. On that we agree. We also are in agreement that us Apple users can certainly dislike a feature. There’s no such thing as perfect (for me? I’ve been underwhelmed with my free year of ATV+, and I wish they would have put one thunderbolt port on each side of my MBA, not both on one side). But the App Store brick and steel wall isn’t a feature. This is part of Apple’s closed, tight engineering loop like bringing everything under Apple silicon. This is the Apple way (some like it, some don’t). Look, no one can argue that Samsung doesn’t make some fine phones, or Google hasn’t enhanced Android features nicely etc etc etc. But they’re slightly differing parts that just are unlikely to be able to deliver that very tight engineering loop eco EoU. Apple has for many many years been painstakingly in house building this up. Opening that loop at one of the centers of the hardware is not a feature request, it’s requesting a change in product, eco and philosophy.
But to the most important item to this reply: This thread’s “discussion” is not about a feature change(see above it’s more than a feature). You’re pretending if you think it is. Sideloading is just their latest drum beat in a long line of drum beats. When I say “their” I’m speaking of a very vocal anti Apple crowd (why they hate Apple? except for any astros among them, that’s a question for the human behavior Department). When sideloading’s drum has been beaten into the ground (and ends in their failure yet again 😀) they’ll be back with something else. Count on it. But right now sideloading appears to be fertile ground including a long shot court case and several politicians/gov admins making preliminary noise. The anti Apple know to get at the App Store is to not only get at the way Apple designs it’s eco/the Apple user base, it loosens one of the main table legs of Apple itself.
Lastly, As to why you would switch? Because sideloading (and any Android positives of which there certainly are) is more important to you than the Apple positives. But if you’re looking for a change to the philosophy (and throwing in with Apple haters) than it is fair to suggest that you choose Android. We’ve already established that one way is not going to be able to give you everything. Pick you pluses and minuses to pull that purchase trigger. Just know if you go with Apple it won’t be with sideloading.
I've been a big fan of apple products for years, and i think they create some truly innovative products.
However their security argument is silly on multiple levels, because it's a matter of risk vs reward, it's not black and white.
If apple really wanted iPhones/tablets to be secure they wouldn't:
1. Make them or sell them, can't hack it if it doesn't exist.
2. Allow it to connect to the public internet.
2. Allow apps at all on the device.
3. Allow apps not made by apple on the device.
4. Allow side loading.
At each step apple is making decisions about security risk.
Apple continuously comes back to this argument, whether it be side loading or releasing documentation or parts for 3rd party repair. It's their catch all, because you can't really argue whether it right or wrong, but some how it's always in apples benefit.
So how about this apple, release all your source code and hardware designs, because it's been clearly proven that open source projects are more secure than closed source products. But guess what they would never do it because it isn't in their business interest.
Apple may not even be the best gate keeper of secure software. There has been many vulnerablities and questionable practices that in the past have gotten though the app store approval process. Eg Paste-Gate.
People should be allowed to make their own informed decision whether to side load or not.
The same argument of if you don't like it, go with android can be made with regards to side-loading vs app store. If apple allows side loading nobody is forcing you to use side loading, you can be a religious apple supporter and never side load, but what if apps aren't in the app store, well it's your choice not to use them.
The question of side-loading or not is about anti-competitive behaviour. Apple has created an ecosystem, and with that they have created a market, well it has "a" shop, the app store. But since this market affects so many, developers and users, the question is does apple have the right to control this market in the way they do, and profit from ever transaction.
However their security argument is silly on multiple levels, because it's a matter of risk vs reward, it's not black and white.
If apple really wanted iPhones/tablets to be secure they wouldn't:
1. Make them or sell them, can't hack it if it doesn't exist.
2. Allow it to connect to the public internet.
2. Allow apps at all on the device.
3. Allow apps not made by apple on the device.
4. Allow side loading.
At each step apple is making decisions about security risk.
Apple continuously comes back to this argument, whether it be side loading or releasing documentation or parts for 3rd party repair. It's their catch all, because you can't really argue whether it right or wrong, but some how it's always in apples benefit.
So how about this apple, release all your source code and hardware designs, because it's been clearly proven that open source projects are more secure than closed source products. But guess what they would never do it because it isn't in their business interest.
Apple may not even be the best gate keeper of secure software. There has been many vulnerablities and questionable practices that in the past have gotten though the app store approval process. Eg Paste-Gate.
People should be allowed to make their own informed decision whether to side load or not.
The same argument of if you don't like it, go with android can be made with regards to side-loading vs app store. If apple allows side loading nobody is forcing you to use side loading, you can be a religious apple supporter and never side load, but what if apps aren't in the app store, well it's your choice not to use them.
The question of side-loading or not is about anti-competitive behaviour. Apple has created an ecosystem, and with that they have created a market, well it has "a" shop, the app store. But since this market affects so many, developers and users, the question is does apple have the right to control this market in the way they do, and profit from ever transaction.
Well this is how commerce in general works actually. Amazon is actively promoting its own products putting them on top of search results. Even traditional retailers follow this practice so if you go to a large store like Macy's that sells many brands, some brands are put on more visible space, or are actively promoted, in prejudice of other brands that may have either not reached an agreement with the retailer to promote their product, or the margin on the sale of these brands is lower. AppStore is Apple's store and it is perfectly reasonable that their own apps to be always on top of the search results and in recommended apps section, even if they are not the best apps. Apple has no duty or responsibility to promote the best apps, when the "best" is fundamentally subjective criterion. What is the best app for turn by turn navigation? It is not that easy as you may think.
That is a bit of an embellishment of the truth. Open source projects can only be proven to be whatever they claim to be. Nothing more.
Some great open source security software exists, but there is also some great closed source stuff too.
It also means that hackers will spend much more time and effort targeting the Apple ecosystem - because there will be greater opportunity. And the likelihood of even those who don't sideload apps be hacked will increase. Hackers are sneaky and resourceful.
How many of the apps on the iOS App Store can only be sideloaded on Android and not via the Play store? I have no interest in sideloading any apps but if 55yo Bob who still lives in his mum's house wants to download Babe Island 1969 and get his phone infected with god knows what then that's his choice.