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Apple Says Allowing Sideloading on iPhone Would Expose Users to Serious Privacy and Security Risks
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Some people get away with crimes… so we should just abolish the police?
Than it's in Apples best interest NOT to enforce draconian rules that force developers to look for alternatives.
it would honestly royally suck fi Apple pissed off developers enough that they take their apps off the platform. Apple tries to act at times that the Apps themselves should be greatful for the iPhone, when the iPhone likely wouldn't have had as much an adoption rate in the first place without the 3rd party Apps
Idunnoa bout you. but i was a smartphone user long before the iPhone existed. the iPhone, while it changed the playing field, didn't see dramatic uptick in sales (and didn't overtake BBRY for 3-5 more years) until the App store was in play.
Apple NEED to be cautious that they don't eventually bite the developers who helped make their platform a sucess angry enough that they make life for us Apple users more difficult
we've already seen for example Netflix get so frustrated that they removed all subscriptions from iOS. you must subscribe externally. Imagine if more and more developers jump on board and just tell apple to **** off?
I don't wnat that either. Less apps and less developers willing to push iOS apps as their first choice hurts us more imho, than a restrictive ability to side load.
then they can evidence it by providing more than rhetoric at court.
They keep repeating this same rhetoric, But havne't been able to actually demonstrate their points.
The important thing I'm trying to stress is just because "Apple says their the safest" doesn't make it automatically true. people especially on these forums are way too fast to believe everything Apple always says while ignoring reality and facts around them.
Apple has a bias. (like all corporations) and that's to maximise how much profit they earn from us the users. They are going to say, and push policy that encourages and helps that, before trustfulness. Apple/ Tim Cook have not been above stretching the truth before.
Exactly. Some postershere don't seem seem to understand this or are blinded by their own priorities. And this is why that, if Apple loses this fight, I will probably stop using smart phones and default to a dumb flip phone.
Yes, I do agree with you that Apple is bias (that is why I wanted to mention that it was a quote from Apple). But I do agree with some of the things that they are saying, like this "Additionally, even users who prefer to only download apps from the App Store could be forced to download an app they need for work or for school from third-party stores if it is not made available on the App Store."
But does it matter how much Apple pisses off developers when most who advocate side-loading seem to suggest that the vast majority of people will stick to the App Store anyway?
Apple isn't altruistically closing off their ecosystem, this is financially motivated, yeah I get that it's obvious. It's similar to why they don't have a MacOS ipad, then they couldn't sell you 2 devices. Apple wants their cut from app developers, plain and simple. If Apple was truly concerned about all users then it would do things like adopt RCS so Android users could fully interact with iOS users. This also brings to mind the recent controversies like with Microsoft in forcing them to get approval for each and every game on their gamepass app, but the jokes on Apple because MS simply switched over to the browser.
Being on Android I really haven't encountered any side loading apps, I've been able to get anything I want from the Google Play store, including stuff that you would think should be side loaded only like Vanced. It just seems that if you want a side loaded app you really have to have a niche need, or actively search out for one. They have both had similar dev costs and I don't think there has been a mass exodus of Google devs/apps from the app store. More will be convinced to stay with the recent reduction down to 15% for the first 1M.
Being on Android I really haven't encountered any side loading apps, I've been able to get anything I want from the Google Play store, including stuff that you would think should be side loaded only like Vanced. It just seems that if you want a side loaded app you really have to have a niche need, or actively search out for one. They have both had similar dev costs and I don't think there has been a mass exodus of Google devs/apps from the app store. More will be convinced to stay with the recent reduction down to 15% for the first 1M.
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Side loading wouldn't turn iOS into Android 2.0 (which is also why people who want side loading don't necessarily switch to Android, one can still prefer iOS/the iPhone). Side loading is a feature on Android, but far from a defining one. Most Android users never sideload anything. Apple wouldn't even need to implement it the same way considering they have Gatekeeper on MacOS. They could use that to only allow signed/notorized apps to be installed. If a developer inserted malicious code, Apple could revoke their certificate and prevent further installs. If you want Apple to keep its walled garden, you better hope they stop policing content and putting competing services at a competitive disadvantage; or the platform won't survive the anti-trust scrutiny. This propaganda paper they released is just further evidence of the pressure they feel.
It's an interesting question. I don't think "sideloading" would be as much an issue if Apple were to back off on some of the App store policies that do make developers frustrated.
If there weren't effectively "double dipping" and rates that were unreasonable for payment processors, I don't think this is even a topic of discussion.
These devs want out of the App Store because they're tired of giving 30% of their revenues to Apple. Apple charges them a fee just to be a developer on their platform. this is supposed to cover the monitoring and hosting of the App.
Then there's the Anti-Trust issue with Apple not only taking 30% fees, but taking them from apps in which they directly compete without having to pay themselves 30%. this results in an uneven playing field where it's almost impossible to compete with Apple on iOS platform at the similar if not same price points.
EG: If Spotify wanted to make the same / similar margins on their App they would have no choice but to charge 12.99, versus Apple Music at 9.99.
this is a competitive disadvantage that Apple intentionally forces on their competition, and is considered Anti-Trust and wouldn't generally be considered "fair business practice".
again: Apple could have likely avoided all of this discussion over sideloading if they weren't being so anally draconic with their finance position on the App Store.
IMHO, Apple should not be allowed to charge the 30% for services that directly compete with it's own services.
Tim Apple can shove it. Apple’s policy is restricting trade and I strongly believe that is why it will fall. The mac allows installation of apps from anywhere and yet the mac isn’t teeming with malware. It’s just a matter of time before the hammer drops.
then dont sideload. your particular non-problem is solved.
this doesnt do anything for security, it just helps apple maintain a stranglehold and stifle innovation. people who use laptops and desktops can install (almost) whatever they please and life is none the worse. my windows PC isn't inundated with viruses, nor is my macbook pro.
OS' don't need to be dumbed-down and restricted more every single year over the notion that *some* people can't be bothered to pay attention to what they're doing.
but let's give credit where credit is due: i guess apple is doing a fantastic job at convincing people they're not intelligent enough to manage their own devices. "pay us, because you're stupid" could easily be a marketable slogan for them.
It’s not a choice if its built in, its a threat. Not to you, I get it, you know stuff. You’re cool and very ‘tech’. But lots and lots (and lots and lots, actually) of people no next to nothing about this kind of thing. You know that, dont you?
Really? Do you know people? My GF dad just got an iPhone mini. He’s in his 90’s. He can just about do up his pants. What do you think he knows about it?
It’s ok, I don’t expect you to get it - You’re one of the people I was referring to in my second to last paragraph.
It relates to side loading because some people don’t understand that it is sideloading. It’s not even a word in their vocabulary. They get apps from the appstore becuase that where they get apps. If that changes who are they to know why what how and where. They may just think they’re getting a good app. A chosen special one off just for them.
Are you trying to claim that scams dont exist or do not work? Your arrogance or ignorance in this is astounding, though I’m not sure which applies.
For example. I got this today. Imagine that link lead to an ‘alternative‘ paypal app, with clear instruction on how to ‘securely download it’? Do you think this can never happen or something?
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Really?? So apps that allow saving snapchats and downloading message history without consent don't affect me? I think the minute someone sideloads something they should be clearly flagged to other iphone users. Assume no interaction with this person is safe.
As will the creators of the apps? I hope you’re not insinuating that the only reason this is bad is because …apple?
I personally stay with iOS for these reasons. Because apps like Facebook are already abusing user data as much as they can. Imagine what will happen with sideloading. And no, users will keep using those apps even if they know that Facebook is a shady company. Users don’t care as long as it’s free. So no, nothing would happen to my app.
You are naive thinking that majority of users are tech savvy and can do the right thing. I’m not trying to insult anyone but it’s just not true 🤷🏻♂️
It might be just me but I see no 3rd party app I can’t live without (not using google Facebook services). Maybe banking apps, but they are terrible anyway. So I don’t think it’s Apple who needs 3rd party developers nowadays.