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I’m returning my pair...I just couldn’t deal with the “hockey puck” I can’t really take them everywhere because it’s so bulky...but they do sound amazing. Ill stick with my Bose QuietControl 30 and my AirPods.
 
It isn't about what is allowed, it is about what isn't allowed. Poor taste is subjective. They should not be the morality police. Besides if it is really about protecting children from seeing 'boobies' then maybe they should remove Safari?
 
If you want your app in the store then you pay the measly 30%. The problem is not the 30% fee, but instead the fact that no one can sell an app that costs more than 99 cents with a few exceptions. I say no thanks as I want my apps vetted for nefarious activity, incompatibility and other issues. Apple created the App Store concept and every developer signed up for it because it gave them exposure. They also new going in what the rules were. The only difference is a few app developers don't like the rules they agreed to.

If the platform is eventually opened up to Developer ID signed apps, nobody forces you to download them. Continue to use the App Store for the reasons you stated.

But guess what? 30% isn't measly. It's a lot. And a large amount of, not just a few, app developers are saying this.
 
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If the platform is eventually opened up to Developer ID signed apps, nobody forces you to download them. Continue to use the App Store for the reasons you stated.

But guess what? 30% isn't measly. It's a lot. And a large amount of, not just a few, app developers are saying this.

Please. In the old days of packaged software sold in stores the developer would be lucky to get 30%. The other 70% went to retail markup at the store, the distributor and publisher of your software.
 
From Wikipedia:
The Court found that a large amount of evidence shows that the Publisher Defendants joined with each other in a horizontal price-fixing conspiracy. There is sufficient evidence to show that Apple violated Section 1 of the Sherman Act by conspiring with the Publishers to eliminate retail price competition and raise the price of e-books. The evidence shows that Apple was a knowing and active member of the conspiracy. The plaintiff has proven a per se violation of the Sherman Act.

There is not even a remotely similarity to the App Store issue (only 1 available) and eBook price fixing where multiple companies were involved.

You're focusing too much on searching for comparisons and overlooking the overall antitrust violation.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/antitrust-laws
 
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Here are the music streaming services that are competing at the appstore, Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Music, Tidal, Pandora and I probably missed a couple more. Spotify just want a free ride if they can get away from it I guess it good for them but I do believe Apple should give discount to services as that has a at least 5 or 10 million paying subscribers. But it's up to Apple though and they don't like giving discount.
 
Please feel free to set up and maintain an end to end worldwide distribution model in over 100 languages and 100 countries, for both hardware and software - then we can talk about your 30%

That's exactly what developers want. If you grossed 3 million in sales a year, Apple is taking almost a million of that. Is it that hard to understand that cut could be invested back into said distribution model? Software was sold over the internet for a long time before the App Store was around, believe it or not. I'd love to hear your response.
 
Here are the music streaming services that are competing at the appstore, Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Music, Tidal, Pandora and I probably missed a couple more. Spotify just want a free ride if they can get away from it I guess it good for them but I do believe Apple should give discount to services as that has a at least 5 or 10 million paying subscribers. But it's up to Apple though and they don't like giving discount.

They do give a discount. The 30% drops to 15% after the first year of a subscription.
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That's exactly what developers want. If you grossed 3 million in sales a year, Apple is taking almost a million of that. Is it that hard to understand that cut could be invested back into said distribution model? Software was sold over the internet for a long time before the App Store was around, believe it or not. I'd love to hear your response.

My response is - you've just sided with Apple there.
 
"Apple welcomes competition"

I would too if I got a 30% cut off everything my "competition" sold through my distribution monopoly.

Too bad Apple allows countless Apps that compete directly with their own. Like Google Maps, Waze and Here that compete with Apple Maps. Evernote and others that compete with Notes/Reminders. Office suites that compete with Pages/Numbers/Keynote. Music recording Apps that compete with Garageband. Carrot and others that compete with Weather.

Many are 100% free to download, which means Apple makes literally ZERO on these Apps, and actually loses money because they have to pay for the bandwidth of who knows how many petabytes of data to support these Apps.
 
They do give a discount. The 30% drops to 15% after the first year of a subscription.
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My response is - you've just sided with Apple there.

Here's a hint. It wouldn't even come close to taking that kind of money to run a worldwide distribution network. As mentioned software has been sold over the internet, across the world, for a lot longer that the App Store has been around.

Go check out the Mac App Store and see how it works out when Apple doesn't have the app sales/delivery monopoly. Once excited developers have left it or avoided it like the plague, and are selling outside of Apple's store just fine.
 
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The problem is that Apple both (1) owns the platform for third-parties to distribute their apps and (2) competes with those third-parties on that same platform.

Either one alone isn't a problem at all. But doing both simultaneously is inherently rife with conflict and thus anti-competitive.
 
Am I right in saying, with Spotify, if you set up the subscription within the app, apple takes 30%/10% or whatever.

But,
If you login into spotify.com, use a web browser on a desktop computer, set up the subscription there, they don't.
You then just log into spotify on your apple device, and it's all good, Apple doesn't take the percentage, as the subscription is not through the app store.
 
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If they welcomed competition, why don't they allow users to change their default apps then? I guess a smooth user experience is less important than keeping their own apps entrenched.
 
So why aren't they allowing Spotify and others to use Siri like Amazon allows Apple to use Alexa? Sorry, Apple, not buying your BS.
 
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Please. In the old days of packaged software sold in stores the developer would be lucky to get 30%. The other 70% went to retail markup at the store, the distributor and publisher of your software.

Am I right in saying, with Spotify, if you set up the subscription within the app, apple takes 30%/10% or whatever.

But,
If you login into spotify.com, use a web browser on a desktop computer, set up the subscription there, they don't.
You then just log into spotify on your apple device, and it's all good, Apple doesn't take the percentage, as the subscription is not through the app store.

Yes, but to further complicate matters, the developer can't send the user to the site within the app to subscribe. And the developer can't distribute the app directly to the users without going through Apple's walled garden, despite Apple having the technology (Developer ID) to allow this while retaining safety on their platform.
 
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