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Apple Says Apple ID Password on Shooter's iPhone Changed in Government Possession, Losing Access to Data
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I can picture it now. I envision an evidence bag, full of rice, in the evidence vault, but the vault is cracked open so the orange extension cord can reach the phone so it doesn't discharge fully and lock it down even more, and a sticky note that says "do not unplug, change password, or let John McAfee touch this".
I'm fully expecting a Dilbert cartoon to come out of this.
Agreed and the recent error 53 issue shows they even figured on someone trying to switch out components like fingerprint reader. Since all password fingerprint and encryption stays within the phone, their is nothing to intercept as was the case before the secure enclave. The main chip won't power on, no apps communicate to enclave nor does the main chip. It receives the turn on instructions via a secure command from the enclave that changes each time. It's why so many people have bricked phones if they forget their passcode. You can't get it from outside.
Stand firm Apple....No Backdoor
Exactly. What the majority of Americans seem to overlook is that their right to privacy (this case) and access to information (Net Neutrality) are the two most important issues that are currently at serious risk of loss. Terrorism is absolutely insignificant in comparison to the significance of these two issues.
Although I'm a complete supporter of the very important role of Government services in supporting the needs of the American people, and of a strong military, I'm absolutely ashamed of the abusive and cancerous state of US intelligence and policing that metastasized during the Cheney administration (we all know that Bush was a cardboard cutout). Unfortunately, (acknowledging an impossible congressional atmosphere) my one complaint about the Obama administration is his complacency in correcting these serious threats to out Constitutional rights.
I'm no history buff but "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" come to mind all to frequently nowadays.
Looks like the legal team at Apple will be busier than the hardware and software teams this year.
by the way… Does iPhone 5se mean "Security enclave" ?
I hope so….
i was figuring it would stand for Slightly Enhanced iPhone 5, as opposed to a 4" full on version of iPhone 6.
From here on out the options are:
- Supreme Court rules in favor of required backdoor forcing compliance [runner up]
- Heavy fine/penalty for Apple demanding (not forcing) compliance [most likely I think]
- Supreme Court rules unconstitutional for backdoor law and case is dropped
They will try to pull our right to privacy away any way they can. This ruling will be about more than this isolated case.
- Supreme Court rules in favor of required backdoor forcing compliance [runner up]
- Heavy fine/penalty for Apple demanding (not forcing) compliance [most likely I think]
- Supreme Court rules unconstitutional for backdoor law and case is dropped
They will try to pull our right to privacy away any way they can. This ruling will be about more than this isolated case.
One important thing to add to my previous comment:
If you plan on voting for ANY of the Republican clowns, you are signing the death warrant to your ability to keep your personal data secured, your ability to access unaltered factual information on the Internet, any chance for financial or global stability, and any chance for future for continued US superiority. Right-wing lunacy must end before the USA can begin to recover to it's pre-Bush greatness. A few of the most absurd "conservative" beliefs that must be corrected are:
* that blind faith in an imaginary God is acceptable an not treated as a mental disease
* that religion or conservatism is in any way correlated with "morality"
* that current Republican candidates in any way represent typical conservative voters needs in life
* that current Republican candidates in any way represent anyone that isn't making a 7-figure salary
* that war or walls are the answer to any anyone not like us
* that caring for our less fortunate citizens is a bad thing
* that educating our citizens is not important to our future
* that corporations are people and should be able to buy our political system and votes
* that modern, global, Capitalism in any way benefits consumers or US interests
* that raping our Constitutional privacy protections will protect us from terrorism
If you believe in these things, then you are ignorant.
I don't think you know how legal precedent works. This case isn't in a vacuum.
Apple now stands firm on these matters...up to IOS 8 not so much. Isn't the fact here the authorities are trying to do their jobs....what do you think it involves trying to prevent terrorism? Perhaps eves-dropping on the bad guys, gaining access to the bad guys data perhaps?
The reality here is a that at some point someone is going to access this phone and in my view it would be better it is done by Apple with a known mechanism that could only be used by the authorities by a approval of the Secretary of State (UK Legal Process for example), whereas, if it is opened by some other unknown means, then perhaps prior approval would not be needed since no one officially would know the means exist and then the privacy for everyone else is defacto compromised.
The fact that they know the phone hasn't backed up for 6 weeks indicates privacy ain't so great or being protected in any event....are we only seeking to protect all, some or none of our privacy
If this is true that the phone stopped logging on to iCloud for scheduled backups because someone in law enforcement altered it's Apple ID, that's tampering with evidence and it can't be used in any case anyway.
As an aside, I read that the courts have offered to reimburse Apple for the cost incurred by complying to the court order. Any guess on that sum? As of this writing, market cap is $532,500,000,000.00 USD.
Dale
As an aside, I read that the courts have offered to reimburse Apple for the cost incurred by complying to the court order. Any guess on that sum? As of this writing, market cap is $532,500,000,000.00 USD.
Dale
If If If what the hell are you talking about. It doesn't matter. It's encrypted from the device through the router up to the destination. You're not seeing any passwords in any form, you're only seeing gobblygook
What you're talking about (fabricating ennemis) has occured many times in the past and the US hasn't universally liked for quite some time. I'd say the early 1960s is probably the last time it enjoyed a wide appreciation.
It also enjoyed somewhat a big aura post WWII, but even then there was the who Maccarthy red scare that looks a lot like what we have now. The Spanish American war was mostly made of spin.
When the US started building its "empire", around 1900 is when this kind of thing started picking up steam.
I think you are missing the point, I think. The government don't want the info. They went to court saying they want the info but they want Apple to create a new piece of software that the phone sees as an update. Update the phone and with that they get access to the phone through the new software being installed. They say they want this software delivered to them to use. Trust them they will not modify it to use on any iPhone.
They are not asking Apple for the data or for Apple to access the phone and give them the data off the phone. They are asking for software that will allow them to hack any iPhone but using the guise of we need the data to get something completely different.
So the question is why don't they just ask Apple to get the data off the phone. Because they want software built that will enable them to break into any iPhone. Of course they won't do that. They will just use it once and throw it out. And if you believe that then I have an idea that will make you millions in 3 months. You'll just have to pay me $100,000. The request from the FBI is absurd.
That's how I understand it.
as i understand, they actually are asking apple to get the data off the phone... and they have suggested what they think is a reasonable method to do it. apple can't access the data through any method available at present.
the problem doesn't seem to be that the fbi want apple to give them this tool, but rather that once there's the proof of concept, apple will no longer be able to say "sorry, not possible" and pandora's box will be opened. all the hard work that they've spent on encryption since ios 8, gone.
I don't quite understand this. Here is what the article says in part:
Dale
I may not like pink Apple hardware, or care about the Apple Watch and I think lately all of Apple's software has be complete crap - but kudos to Tim Cook for not giving in to government demands like back doors. I hope he doesn't budge on this issue.
this is what frustrates me sometimes about @MacRumors ... they're very behind with the curve news wise. great forums, crap news.
if you read the linked article, http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkow...asscode-changed-in-government-cust#.hsNba3gjy the fbi has asserted that the owner of the device changed the password remotely - you can see for yourself at https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2716011/Apple-iPhone-Access-MOTION-to-COMPEL.pdf at the bottom of page 18.
a more up to date source for this story could be found here: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...changed-while-in-government-hands-apple-says- - but either way, it's been discussed a fair amount in this thread already.
the fbi did not change the password. San Bernardino county officials did, while it was in the custody of the FBI.
a San Bernardino county official has now claimed the fbi asked them to; whether or not this is true, we don't know.
Based on the last few iOS and OS X releases, I would've figured this was always the case.
If it is impossible as Apple keep saying then I am not sure what Apple is not budging on. It is either not possible and therefore moot, or indeed it is possible and then the question is why have Apple changed their view on protecting users privacy when it is a known fact that have accessed users data before when asked to do so in the past?
To be fair Democrats have endorsed these things as well. Republicans aren't special.