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Apple Says Apple ID Password on Shooter's iPhone Changed in Government Possession, Losing Access to Data
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If you are really worried about your data security , don't use iCloud or any cloud service. Keep it local . As can be seen in this case, iCloud backups were handed over very quickly, and no issues accessing the data on it.
Fight the backdoor all the way apple.
Though people, you have to be realistic about the tech sector and this unfolding issue, while I respect the stance apple is taking , when ordered by the government , they will hand over any data they have asap, so as the end user you have to be very vigilant what you push to these tech companies thinking its secure and no one can access it. If an admin can access your data, it's not secure .
Remember had the iCloud backups continued , Apple would have given up all the data for this device / case in question. Right now the only secure option is to keep your data on your idevice.
Fight the backdoor all the way apple.
Though people, you have to be realistic about the tech sector and this unfolding issue, while I respect the stance apple is taking , when ordered by the government , they will hand over any data they have asap, so as the end user you have to be very vigilant what you push to these tech companies thinking its secure and no one can access it. If an admin can access your data, it's not secure .
Remember had the iCloud backups continued , Apple would have given up all the data for this device / case in question. Right now the only secure option is to keep your data on your idevice.
Nope, Apple has decrypted the iCloud backups for the FBI.
Also, the encryption used for the iCloud backups is not dependent on your iCloud password, as Apple explains in the security white paper.
Not true. You can do a local backup, have it encrypted (required for health and password data) and have it stored into a file vault.
No, that's wrong. Take your own phone. You have been on holiday far away for a week. It hasn't backed up to iCloud for a week. And it's locked. Now you take that phone into your living room, still looked. The phone says "Great, here's a network that I know and can connect to", and "hey, I know my iTunes password so I have all the information I need for backing up". So it backs up to iCloud, without even being unlocked. Well, that's exactly what it should do. The phone should backup all the time without me even knowing.
If you took that phone into the FBI's office, that wouldn't work. It doesn't know how to connect to their network automatically, so it can't backup without you entering some information first which requires unlocking. And if someone changes the AppleID password then it doesn't work either, because you first have to type in the AppleID password, and for that you need to unlock the phone.
So Apple said: Just take the phone to a network that it knows. Might be at the perpetrators home, or at his company's offices (that's where may own phone would find a known network). If they hadn't changed the AppleID password, that would have worked.
Without some idiot changing the password, all the phones data might have backed itself up onto iCloud automatically, without unlocking the phone. With the changed password, someone has to unlock the phone first and type in the password.
Call me cynical but this is rather convenient for the FBI who have wanted access to Apple's encryption protocols for years now.
If Steve believed 100% that his way his the right way, They would've arrested Steve Jobs, because there's no way Steve would've back off from this! and arrest Steve Jobs that will be a huge mistake for anyone
Any data placed on a server in the US can be retrieved by a court order. If you place an unencrypted backup on iCloud you are compromising your own data in the event a court order is presented, although not your passwords. This is true if you use ANY companies cloud services.
Shortly after the U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion demanding Apple comply with an order to help it unlock the iPhone 5c of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, Apple executives shared key information with several reporters, including BuzzFeed's John Paczkowski, about government missteps that may have led to reduced access to the iPhone in question.
According to Apple, the Apple ID password on the iPhone was changed "less than 24 hours" after being in government hands. Had the password not been altered, Apple believes the backup information the government is asking for could have been accessible to Apple engineers. The FBI has said it has access to weekly iCloud backups leading up to October 19, but not after that date, and it is seeking later information that could be stored on the device.Apple executives said the entire backdoor demand could have potentially been avoided if the Apple ID password not been changed, as connecting to a known Wi-Fi network would have caused the device to start backing up automatically so long as iCloud backups were enabled. Instead, with the information inaccessible, the FBI has requested tools that set what Apple calls a "dangerous precedent." The FBI wants a version of iOS that accepts electronic passcode input and removes passcode features like time limits and data erasure following failures.
Apple says the software would be the equivalent of a master key that could be used to access millions of devices (including Apple's newest iPhones and iPads) and has called the demand an "overreach" with chilling implications. Apple executives today also refuted the DOJ's claim that the company's refusal to comply is a marketing tactic, saying it was done based on "love for the country" and "desire not to see civil liberties tossed aside."
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Timmy went and hired a photographer to take a serious jutting jaw and furrowed brow pic, unlike any other released photo of him to date.
It would still need to be entered on the iPhone before it would back up and they can't do that because they don't know the pin code to access the phone.
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Exactly!!!
I just find it crazy how so many people care, the reality is no one is trying to get onto your device to get your personal files, they don't care. I mean get my internet history all you like, yes I went to porntube or whatever the porn sites are called, I wank and **** like any other normal person. Oh I have a picture of my knob that I sent to my friend to shock him when I was drunk and thought it was funny.... is a hacker going to want that? I don't think so. I feel like this is what people are really afraid of, in reality no one cares about your life.
Now as for personal data, I've had mine taken several times from sites that have been hacked and nothing has ever come of it. Once in my life have I had money taken from my account to some gambling site, HSBC called me and said it was suspicious, I said it wasn't me and got my money back.
We've never had much security on these devices or our PCs in the past and the reality is you wont be hacked.
Create a back door... it's still more effort than it's worth to hack someones phone, you wont be a target any ways and people like Obama who would be don't own a phone.
Now as for personal data, I've had mine taken several times from sites that have been hacked and nothing has ever come of it. Once in my life have I had money taken from my account to some gambling site, HSBC called me and said it was suspicious, I said it wasn't me and got my money back.
We've never had much security on these devices or our PCs in the past and the reality is you wont be hacked.
Create a back door... it's still more effort than it's worth to hack someones phone, you wont be a target any ways and people like Obama who would be don't own a phone.
No that's wrong is a rather sweeping statement to make; I suggest you work on your reading comprehension...
For one, you also have to be connected to power. So you can't "carry it into your lounge" and start it up, you have to plug it in somewhere.
Secondly, iTunes password is not necessarily the same as iCloud password, but that's a nit pick and irrelevant to the wider point.
Thirdly, and most importantly, you missed my main point entirely. If iCloud backups are supposed to happen on a known network automatically, and it's functioning correctly, that means he didn't charge the phone on a known network (ie at home) for SIX WEEKS. Six whole weeks, really? That suggests it's been turned off or broken, which you don't really address.
Hence my question if it's spin, as Apple would know it's unlikely to work but by suggesting it they look to be trying to help.
You're quite simple minded here.
If someone have that hack/backdoor, who knows that they'll do. Think along the lines of: how they can inject data to your phone, and those data contains some criminal activity evidence that the hackers commit, but using you as a scapegoat.
Many possibilities here if you think about it. So YES, you would want your privacy and phone secured.
It would be the start of more. Just think, courts requesting Apple unlock a phone for every mass shooting in America, they'd be a new one every week.
you'd have to make sure they're encrypted with a strong password, and also not have the password saved anywhere.
Itunes backups could (potentially) be brute forced because no stepping exists in iTunes if the wrong password is entered; it could be attempted repeatedly. And running on a computer, it wouldn't rely on Apple creating a special OS to allow it.
There must be a reason Apple suggested it first (idea #2 according to the FBI)
It's not about Apple unlocking the phone. FBI wants special iOS version developed which would allow them to hack the phone by installing the special iOS and then brute forcing their way in. In my opinion this far more worse than Apple hacking the phone since special iOS would give FBI easy access to every iPhone ever made.
I live in the UK, things might be different in the US but that **** doesn't happen in the normal world.
It doesn't? The world with Prism, NSA and what not... In the world in which allies spy on each other mass targeting ordinary citizens without forgetting heads of state, CEO's and the regular military and corporate espionage stuff. In this world back doors are very bad idea indeed.
Governments are a bunch of hypocrites. Yearly more people die from domestic gun violence, cancer and alcohol than from any terrorism activity.
To me this press battle is just a dog and pony show! IMHO the goverment is trying to save face altering the iPhone they have always owned (in was a company phone - the local goverment office) and looking at Apple to force them to write new code!
Dirty tricks are being used in this case to make Apple look like the bad guy!
Dirty tricks are being used in this case to make Apple look like the bad guy!
Are you seriously missing the point of the whole argument?????????
The difference is how you get that info, the first method is a backup that anyone could do, the second undermines the security of every iPhone on the planet with a backdoor. Not helping is not what it's about.
UK also wants to spy on the people. Essentially same thing.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/uk-go...-bill-how-it-wants-to-spy-on-citizens-2015-11