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Very happy to see Apple getting a head start on this and insuring privacy protections are in place from the get go. Getting tested and vaccinated will generate a Pass in Wallet which will enable others to choose whether to grant you access to their buildings and/or services.

Cue those inevitably complaining about “forced vaccination” in order to access buildings and services like sports, concerts, movie theatres, restaurants, flights and passage into to other countries.

You are perfectly free to choose whether you’re vaccinated but others get to choose whether you get to participate in collective events limited to those who have taken steps to protect themselves and those around them. Don’t want to get vaccinated? You can be “free” at home on the couch.

The only way we’re going to eradicate this virus and return to some semblance of normal is if a large majority of people are vaccinated and those who choose not to are kept isolated from the rest of society.
Well said 👊
 
Yeah, and goodbye freedom of choice...
You have plenty of choice. Your choice will determine your freedoms.

Not directed at you, but.. I’ve had enough of people not looking out for each other. We had an administration that had absolutely no concern for the American people and here we are with 480,000+ families grieving for their lost loved ones.

The entire temperature of the country was impacted by that horrible man and people have stopped caring for each other, masks alone back in March/April could have saved 200,000 lives.

We need drastic measures, if people consider them draconian, tough.. I’m over it…
 
The entire temperature of the country was impacted by that horrible man and people have stopped caring for each other, masks alone back in March/April could have saved 200,000 lives.

You say this with such certainty, any proof to back this up or is this one of those hindsight is 20/20 things and you are just pulling numbers from the air.
 
Very happy to see Apple getting a head start on this and insuring privacy protections are in place from the get go. Getting tested and vaccinated will generate a Pass in Wallet which will enable others to choose whether to grant you access to their buildings and/or services.

Cue those inevitably complaining about “forced vaccination” in order to access buildings and services like sports, concerts, movie theatres, restaurants, flights and passage into to other countries.

You are perfectly free to choose whether you’re vaccinated but others get to choose whether you get to participate in collective events limited to those who have taken steps to protect themselves and those around them. Don’t want to get vaccinated? You can be “free” at home on the couch.

The only way we’re going to eradicate this virus and return to some semblance of normal is if a large majority of people are vaccinated and those who choose not to are kept isolated from the rest of society.
Does the vaccine stop you from getting Covid? No. Does it stop you from spreading it? No. Why should somebody have to take a vaccine, that they don’t want, to adhere to stupid policies that don’t make any sense. The vaccine only reduces the symptoms in those who have had it. Why would an unvaccinated person coming close to you, worry you?
 
You have plenty of choice. Your choice will determine your freedoms.

Not directed at you, but.. I’ve had enough of people not looking out for each other. We had an administration that had absolutely no concern for the American people and here we are with 480,000+ families grieving for their lost loved ones.

The entire temperature of the country was impacted by that horrible man and people have stopped caring for each other, masks alone back in March/April could have saved 200,000 lives.

We need drastic measures, if people consider them draconian, tough.. I’m over it…
Does the vaccine stop you from getting Covid? No. Does it stop you from spreading it? No. Why should somebody have to take a vaccine, that they don’t want, to adhere to stupid policies that don’t make any sense. The vaccine only reduces the symptoms in those who have had it. Why would an unvaccinated person coming close to you, worry you?
 
UK government will be happy. More money to give to friends of the government, where what counts is not competence, but who you know.
 
Walking down the street naked isn’t mandatory but those who won’t, can’t buy any clothes. Some choice.
I believe many places have a public decency/nudity law. In many places both males and females and to be up to the times people who identify as non-binary can walk topless but still have to cover the pubic region.
 
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I believe many places have a public decency/nudity law. In many places both males and females and to be up to the times people who identify as non-binary can walk topless but still have to cover the pubic region.
But those that choose not to, can still buy clothes. This vaccine stance is the opposite. “Take the vaccine and you can have freedom. Don’t take it and you can’t”. This is in a country where vaccination isn’t mandatory. It’s coercion and needs to be stopped.
 
Does the vaccine stop you from getting Covid? No. Does it stop you from spreading it? No. Why should somebody have to take a vaccine, that they don’t want, to adhere to stupid policies that don’t make any sense. The vaccine only reduces the symptoms in those who have had it. Why would an unvaccinated person coming close to you, worry you?
Good.. don’t get the vaccine then… When other countries require proof of vaccine (much as some already require this) You can stay home
 
These dummies think so: (and this is only 5 into the pandemic)

Per your sourced linked article:

"The paper has not yet been peer-reviewed, but the researchers are continuing to analyze these issues. “We hope to produce another paper that focuses on the effects of mask mandates during the reopening phase,” Chernozhukov says."


Would you have a peer-reviewed source to support your opinion as it is considered the "Gold Standard" concerning science.
 
Good.. don’t get the vaccine then… When other countries require proof of vaccine (much as some already require this) You can stay home
So you can’t answer the question. Why would an unvaccinated person, coming close to you, worry you? Just the sheer fact that you and many others are ok with this, is astonishing. Do you have no pride? Do you not care about being led all your life. I was brought up differently. This is coercion and those with a brain can see just how dangerous this is to be effectively forced into taking something that they don’t want.
 
Good.. don’t get the vaccine then… When other countries require proof of vaccine (much as some already require this) You can stay home

Except requiring someone to provide proof of an EUA vaccine may be in violation of Human Rights. Granted any country can restrict one to enter even with proof of a vaccine or not, the key here is that one cannot be forced or make it a requirement to entry.
 
Just the sheer fact that you and many others are ok with this, is astonishing. Do you have no pride? Do you not care about being led all your life. I was brought up differently. This is coercion and those with a brain can see just how dangerous this is to be effectively forced into taking something that they don’t want.

I feel your emotions are clouding your judgement and are viewing/painting everyone with the same brush. There are some people who will support anything anyone tells them (unable to think for themselves), others who will do something as their feel one has no choice, others will restrain and so on.

Acknowledge that many people are followers and have been raised to do as they are told is not surprising to read some of the comments, some of these same individuals also believe their are unique while fail to see the irony in their logic.
 
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I feel your emotions are clouding your judgement and are viewing/painting everyone with the same brush. There are some people who will support anything anyone tells them (unable to think for themselves), others who will do something as their feel one has no choice, others will restrain and so on.

Acknowledge that many people are followers and have been raised to do as they are told is not surprising to read some of the comments, some of these same individuals also believe their are unique while fail to see the irony in their logic.
I acknowledge that people are different but something that is so blatant should be so obvious. Both my sisters are nurses in our local hospital. Both work on different wards (one is in the icu dept). News came a few months ago that the hospital was heaving with Covid patients. Unable to cope. Crippled blah blah. Both my sisters worked that day. Both said it was not true. They were quiet. The nhs are counting almost every death as Covid. Woman comes in with a heart attack. Dies in the end but as she tested positive for Covid then she died of Covid. Firstly, why would the council claim the hospital was crippled? It’s blatantly not true. Secondly why are we basing cause of death on a test that has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate. It’s about fear and control and nothing more. Both my sisters are gagged from talking about this to the press. Why gag somebody if you have nothing to hide?
 
This is exactly why you see few actual working medical doctors and nurses excited about this whole thing. You'll see a healthy 20 something in FB proudly showing off their bandaid while those who work in healthcare shake our heads, you're the one who is incredibly unlikely to die from this. Your grandma is the one who would have the most benefit from it. YOU getting the shot does absolutely nothing to help her.

Just a massive mistake after mistake after mistake. You can't get mad at people because many of them genuinely believe they're doing something good, it's just dissapointing to see such wasted money and effort.
There are lots of cases of young people suffering from post-Covid (aka. Long-Covid), so it's not just a disease that's dangerous to "grandpa". We still don't know how much the vaccines help to prevent Long-Covid because there aren't many young people vaccinated (at least most countries prioritize older people) but chances are good that it will help.

You're right that it doesn't look like the vaccines provide us with sterile immunity, but some studies show that people could be less infetious than without the shot.
 
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I acknowledge that people are different but something that is so blatant should be so obvious. Both my sisters are nurses in our local hospital. Both work on different wards (one is in the icu dept). News came a few months ago that the hospital was heaving with Covid patients. Unable to cope. Crippled blah blah. Both my sisters worked that day. Both said it was not true. They were quiet. The nhs are counting almost every death as Covid. Woman comes in with a heart attack. Dies in the end but as she tested positive for Covid then she died of Covid. Firstly, why would the council claim the hospital was crippled? It’s blatantly not true. Secondly why are we basing cause of death on a test that has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate. It’s about fear and control and nothing more. Both my sisters are gagged from talking about this to the press. Why gag somebody if you have nothing to hide?

It's about money, control, fear and lives. Many people like living in a "Nanny State" where the government is looking out for them, because if the government is not looking out for them then their are alone in this world forced to think and act for themselves. Herd mentality may it be good or bad exists, all you and your family can do is shut off the TV and watch this thing play out, the truth always has a way of surfacing sooner or later.
 
I acknowledge that people are different but something that is so blatant should be so obvious. Both my sisters are nurses in our local hospital. Both work on different wards (one is in the icu dept). News came a few months ago that the hospital was heaving with Covid patients. Unable to cope. Crippled blah blah. Both my sisters worked that day. Both said it was not true. They were quiet. The nhs are counting almost every death as Covid. Woman comes in with a heart attack. Dies in the end but as she tested positive for Covid then she died of Covid. Firstly, why would the council claim the hospital was crippled? It’s blatantly not true. Secondly why are we basing cause of death on a test that has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate. It’s about fear and control and nothing more. Both my sisters are gagged from talking about this to the press. Why gag somebody if you have nothing to hide?
So you got 2 sisters working at a hospital, and they are not allowed to talk to the media about hiding "wrong Covid deaths"... and the NHS is in it too. Yeah, cool story, man.
 
I acknowledge that people are different but something that is so blatant should be so obvious. Both my sisters are nurses in our local hospital. Both work on different wards (one is in the icu dept). News came a few months ago that the hospital was heaving with Covid patients. Unable to cope. Crippled blah blah. Both my sisters worked that day. Both said it was not true. They were quiet. The nhs are counting almost every death as Covid. Woman comes in with a heart attack. Dies in the end but as she tested positive for Covid then she died of Covid. Firstly, why would the council claim the hospital was crippled? It’s blatantly not true. Secondly why are we basing cause of death on a test that has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate. It’s about fear and control and nothing more. Both my sisters are gagged from talking about this to the press. Why gag somebody if you have nothing to hide?

Can confirm something similiar happened in Dutch hospitals also if that matters. At the start of the pandemic the government said we don't have enough health personel to handle the load, but all additional help resources were rejected for whatever reason. Later on you read that especially during the second "wave" hospitals weren't that busy at all. In addition to that, news also hit that Germany spread fear and misinformation on purpose to "help the people know about the urgency". Really makes you think doesn't it?
 
In addition to that, news also hit that Germany spread fear and misinformation on purpose to "help the people know about the urgency". Really makes you think doesn't it?
I'm from germany, what are you talking about? Afaik nothing like that happened.
Link please.

There's a small, vocal minority of idiots in almost every country right now, spreading lots of Fake News and unscientific ********.
 
I'm from germany, what are you talking about? Afaik nothing like that happened.
Link please.

It's behind a paywall:

Dutch state news article, maybe you can use Google translate:
 
So you got 2 sisters working at a hospital, and they are not allowed to talk to the media about hiding "wrong Covid deaths"... and the NHS is in it too. Yeah, cool story, man.

It is quite telling when you negate another person's experience with what the media propaganda machine is putting out. I knew 3 people who were reported to have COVID. One was 98 years old and passed away due to medical negligence and the other 2 recovered (45 years and 37 years of age). The 45 year old knew their had it due to loss of smell and taste and felt like a ton of bricks hit them for three days, made a full recovery after. The 37 year old was healthy but a little overweight and recovered in 10 days, no loss of smell or taste.

Let me guess you will dismiss my experiences too, but hey if it was on the propaganda news you will believe it then. :rolleyes:
 
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