Apple Says Fortnite for iOS Isn't Blocked Worldwide, Just the U.S.

[BC2009]

That's false. They still have to pay yearly developer fee to access publish on the store.

Nothing is free.

You do know that is a $100 annual fee because the revenue is supposed to come from App Store commissions, right?

You think that $100 administrative fee qualifies as “just compensation”? That fee exists to prevent developers from creating an unlimited number of bogus developer accounts so they can flood the App Store with scam apps.

 

[surferfb]

I have to love how deep in the weeds of arguing you guys all get

lmao

All about something that I'm not even sure any of us really care about...
Like .. does Fortnight being in or out of the App Store impact us?

😂

My dad still says I should go to law school, and let’s just say I’m not at the age where that sort of career change makes sense at all 🤣

 

[turbineseaplane]

My dad still says I should go to law school, and let’s just say I’m not at the age where that sort of career change makes sense at all 🤣

I think your Dad is onto something!

 

[Bungaree.Chubbins]

I get all the concerns, but the main problem I have with it is that you can do this now.

A nefarious actor could get someone to install a 3rd party dev profile via the web and Apps and have whatever folks are concerned about, "happen". (the phishing or scamming or other things)

It's really not a technical process (especially if a flow is built for it by said actor) at all.

Ultimately, rather than speculate about this concern, I'd rather see the assertion tested and have Apple further develop a safeguard if it becomes needed.

Erring on the side of the broadest set of consumer choice and benefit, as you both know, is where I land.

Just wanted to add my $0.02
Cheers ✌️

I do respect your position, I'm just a little pessimistic about it. If it does eventuate, I really hope you're right.

 

[icanhazapple]

No, you weren’t right. While it certainly looks as if the judge will let them back in unless the appeals court grants Apple the injunction, the reason they’re being let back in isn’t because, as you put it, “The original reason they were banned from the App Store (attempting to offer a payment mechanism outside of Apple's control) has been struck done by a US court.The original ban reason is subsequently null and void”, but rather because Apple said at trial they’d let Epic back in if Epic followed the rules.

Hahaha admit it, I was right - what rule did they break that they were originally banned for?

This is all just silly word-smithing carve out by the judge - sure, the Judge can write in the ruling summary Apple can enforce the rules of their app store, on face, but that doesn't make all their rules or their subsequent enforcement of those rules legal and valid in all circumstances, such as what transpired in the Epic vs Apple case.

Hence Epic's forthcoming successful appeal to have their US account reinstated. Anyways, this is all academic - Apple's silly walled garden is finally coming down.

 

[I7guy]

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Hence Epic's forthcoming successful appeal to have their US account reinstated. Anyways, this is all academic - Apple's silly walled garden is finally coming down.

Sorry must have missed the headliner. Whet successful appeal? Apple won. Epic is banned.👍

To be fair we don’t know where this is going. Don’t count you chickens before they hatch. Or said another way: “it’s not over till it’s over”. — yogi Berra

 

[surferfb]

Hahaha admit it, I was right - what rule did they break that they were originally banned for?

Again you're not right. Epic broke the rule about offering in app purchases that bypassed Apple's App Store. Which are still not allowed, per the judge, and for which the judge made Epic pay Apple $3.6 million dollars for breaking.

This is all just silly word-smithing carve out by the judge - sure, the Judge can write in the ruling summary Apple can enforce the rules of their app store, on face, but that doesn't make all their rules or their subsequent enforcement of those rules legal and valid in all circumstances, such as what transpired in the Epic vs Apple case.

The judge misunderstood California law, at least according to the California courts, but Apple has to do what the judge orders unless told otherwise by a higher court. It certainly seems Epic will be allowed back in, but not because "the ban was null and void" as you said.

To use an analogy, if I say "the Yankees are going to win because their pitching is so good the Red Sox won't be able to score a run against them" and the Yankees end up winning 15-14, while I was right that the Yankees were going to win, I wasn't right about why. Same thing here.

Hence Epic's forthcoming successful appeal to have their US account reinstated. Anyways, this is all academic - Apple's silly walled garden is finally coming down.

Unless Apple's injunction goes their way. We'll see what happens. But glad you're happy that the judge is forcing Apple to do what you want at the expense of what Apple and most of their customers want!

 

[icanhazapple]

Again you're not right. Epic broke the rule about offering in app purchases that bypassed Apple's App Store. Which are still not allowed, per the judge, and for which the judge made Epic pay Apple $3.6 million dollars for breaking.


The judge misunderstood California law, at least according to the California courts, but Apple has to do what the judge orders unless told otherwise by a higher court. It certainly seems Epic will be allowed back in, but not because "the ban was null and void" as you said.

To use an analogy, if I say "the Yankees are going to win because their pitching is so good the Red Sox won't be able to score a run against them" and the Yankees end up winning 15-14, while I was right that the Yankees were going to win, I wasn't right about why. Same thing here.


Unless Apple's injunction goes their way. We'll see what happens. But glad you're happy that the judge is forcing Apple to do what you want at the expense of what Apple and most of their customers want!

Again, you're wrong. Re-read App Store Guidelines 3.1.1 (which has subsequently been struck from the Guideline) -

"The paid digital content, services, or subscriptions included in or accessed by your app must be available for purchase in the app using only in-app purchase."

Let me repeat this and put it in bold in case you didn't catch it the first time "must only be available for purchase in the app using only in-app purchases. This is what they were banned for" - Apple said they violated 3.1.1 - Hello, this is entirely what the case was about.

Admit it, you're wrong. If you're going to bother to reply, instead of repeating what you keep saying, cite the actual App Store Guideline Section and Number Rule that Epic broke that got them banned.

And don't worry, I'll keep looking out for all iOS users best interest, even they're too obtuse to realize what that may be.

 

[surferfb]

Again, you're wrong. Re-read App Store Guidelines 3.1.1 -

"The paid digital content, services, or subscriptions included in or accessed by your app must be available for purchase in the app using only in-app purchase."

Let me repeat this and put it in bold in case you didn't catch it the first time "must only be available for purchase in the app using only in-app purchases. This is what they were banned for" - Apple said they violated 3.1.1 - Hello, this is entirely what the case was about.

Admit it, you're wrong. If you're going to bother to reply, instead of repeating what you keep saying, cite the actual App Store Guideline Section and Number Rule that Epic broke that got them banned.

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And don't worry, I'll keep looking out for all iOS users best interest, even they're too obtuse to realize what that may be.

Again, you’re misunderstanding how the legal system works and the specifics of the case. I’d encourage you to read and understand the judge’s ruling rather than getting AI to summarize it for you.

If what you’re saying was correct, then the judge wouldn’t have ordered Epic to pay $3.6 million. The judge also wouldn’t have said Apple was right to kick Epic off the store, and Epic Games, not Epic Games Sweden, would be the entity releasing Fortnite on the App Store today.

But enjoy the win. Ultimately the end result all is that matters. And hopefully you’re right that it isn’t worse for Apple users in the long run, but I seriously doubt it.

 

[iPhoneUser#]

“it’s not over till it’s over”. — yogi Berra

great documentary!

Absolute Legend

 

[Chazz12]

Honestly hope epic returns the favor and makes unreal engine unsupported on osx and iOS. I’m done with apple when I change phones they are just turning into a **** company under Tim Cook. They really don’t innovate anymore they just wait years and release android tweaks and stupid locked to iOS only features. Keep rising the prices and have proven to not care about the user experience but only the bottom line. Plus osx has been degrading in security and more lately. I have to do more research but I’m probably leaving their ecosystem going forward.

agreed. I was literally looking at Android phones this morning. Tired of the promises not kept just so they can have the appearance of keeping up with the rest of the tech industry. It's sad how awful they have become. I'm a former employee, too.

 

[Chazz12]

Again, you're wrong. Re-read App Store Guidelines 3.1.1 (which has subsequently been struck from the Guideline) -

"The paid digital content, services, or subscriptions included in or accessed by your app must be available for purchase in the app using only in-app purchase."

Let me repeat this and put it in bold in case you didn't catch it the first time "must only be available for purchase in the app using only in-app purchases. This is what they were banned for" - Apple said they violated 3.1.1 - Hello, this is entirely what the case was about.

Admit it, you're wrong. If you're going to bother to reply, instead of repeating what you keep saying, cite the actual App Store Guideline Section and Number Rule that Epic broke that got them banned.

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And don't worry, I'll keep looking out for all iOS users best interest, even they're too obtuse to realize what that may be.

At this point their guidelines don't matter. The law and courts overrule a private companies guidelines that seek to control the market and keep their monopoly on the App Store. I recommend reading a few books on Anti-Trust law and the history of anti-competitive cases in the US...

 

[I7guy]

At this point their guidelines don't matter. The law and courts overrule a private companies guidelines that seek to control the market and keep their monopoly on the App Store. I recommend reading a few books on Anti-Trust law and the history of anti-competitive cases in the US...

Apple already kept their “monopoly” on the App Store. And remember it’s not over until it’s over. The appeal could go any which way including sideways or totally in apples favor.