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Real talk, for both true-tone and Macbook display sleep sensors, it would be nice if Apple just released calibration specifications to the point where third parties could just build their own calibration tools. But sadly they have every financial to not do that so I'm not holding my breath.
 
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I just replaced a display in an iPhone 15 to an LCD display that does not use PWM (because Apple's OLED displays flicker and cause massive eye-strain),
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Could you please start a thread about how you replaced a display in an iPhone 15 that does not use PWM?

Many people suffer from PWM sensitivity, so a thread providing details on how to replace displays would really help.

If you do start a thread, please link it in this thread.
 
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Could you please start a thread about how you replaced a display in an iPhone 15 that does not use PWM?

Many people suffer from PWM sensitivity, so a thread providing details on how to replace displays would really help.

If you do start a thread, please link it in this thread.
It's as simple as buying an "incell LCD" panel and having any local iPhone repair shop swap it out. There are some caveats, of course. The LCD quality is not as good as iPhone 11, for example. It's good, but they aren't calibrated like Apple gives you. Also, the screen is a bit thicker than OLED. Also, and probably most importantly, the power usage is greater which makes more heat and has potential to shorten the life of the components.

We've just started talking about this in the last few pages of this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/eye-strain-while-using-iphone-x-and-up.2085427/

Lots of good conversation about the horrors of PWM there as well.
 
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I think part of the high cost is because of the labour/part intensive process to replace batteries. Simply put, their devices are not made with easy battery replacement in mind. It’s getting better but still not there.

If you take iPhone or MacBook in they replace the battery and give same device back. But for certain MacBooks an entire half the chassis used to have to be replaced.

As for iPad and Apple Watch (so far as I know) when you get a battery replacement, they take your device and hand you back a refurbished device.

I’m sure if battery replacement was quick and easy the costs would be much lower.
Disagree. Apple technicians have special tools and experience which allows them to replace the battery quite effectively. I dropped my iPhone X at Apple Store for battery replacement and it was ready to pick up in 45min. I doubt that it took more than 15min for the technician to do the job. If you know what you do, have the tools, and have the experience, replacing a battery should not take more than 1h of labor even for the most complicated devices. Then, you can sum the cost of the new battery, which should not be that high, considering the volume Apple is managing from its suppliers. Bottom line is, if Apple insist that they are eco-friendly, they should take care of replacing the batteries of their devices at the lowest cost possible, since it is the only part that suffers from degradation and conditions the lifespan of the device itself. The reality is that Apple prefers to sell you a new iPhone or iPad or whatever, instead of replacing a battery, which when new, could extent the life of the device for at least couple of more years. Older devices could be basically revived with a new battery and serve you well for a long time, unless you are looking for the specific features that only the latest generations offer. If Apple is charging your 60-50$ for a battery replacement, I doubt anyone would think about going to third party repair shop and/or buying non-genuine part.
 
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This is pretty cool. I just replaced a display in an iPhone 15 to an LCD display that does not use PWM (because Apple's OLED displays flicker and cause massive eye-strain), and not having True Tone was one of the only drawbacks.

This will no longer be an issue because of this! Good job, Apple!
Maybe, it is good job EU, on the matter of right to repair...
 
Disagree. Apple technicians have special tools and experience which allows them to replace the battery quite effectively. I dropped my iPhone X at Apple Store for battery replacement and it was ready to pick up in 45min. I doubt that it took more than 15min for the technician to do the job. If you know what you do, have the tools, and have the experience, replacing a battery should not take more than 1h of labor even for the most complicated devices. Then, you can sum the cost of the new battery, which should not be that high, considering the volume Apple is managing from its suppliers. Bottom line is, if Apple insist that they are eco-friendly, they should take care of replacing the batteries of their devices at the lowest cost possible, since it is the only part that suffers from degradation and conditions the lifespan of the device itself. The reality is that Apple prefers to sell you a new iPhone or iPad or whatever, instead of replacing a battery, which when new, could extent the life of the device for at least couple of more years. Older devices could be basically revived with a new battery and serve you well for a long time, unless you are looking for the specific features that only the latest generations offer. If Apple is charging your 60-50$ for a battery replacement, I doubt anyone would think about going to third party repair shop and/or buying non-genuine part.
But Apple don’t always replace the battery but replace the unit, for a battery replacement. This means they find it easier to just hand the user a refurbished unit than replace the battery and hand the same device back. So in those cases it must take a lot longer than 1 hours to do the job. Which would be crazy just to replace the battery.
 
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every display is calibrated on every iPhone.
I think 99,99% of iPhone users would be more than happy with their new (non-broken) display, even if it lacks Apple's precise and professional calibration. Apple's excuse is laughable.
 
But Apple don’t always replace the battery but replace the unit, for a battery replacement. This means they find it easier to just hand the user a refurbished unit than replace the battery and hand the same device back. So in those cases it must take a lot longer than 1 hours to do the job. Which would be crazy just to replace the battery.

Unless your unit has other issue, you won’t get refurbished unit.

Replacing battery is the most simple repairs a technician can do. An experienced technician can repair battery less than 20 minutes.

Even me without access Apple’s fancy tools, did battery replacement on iPhone 8 Plus for like 30 minutes.
 
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Unless your unit has other issue, you won’t get refurbished unit.

Replacing battery is the most simple repairs a technician can do. An experienced technician can repair battery less than 20 minutes.

Even me without access Apple’s fancy tools, did battery replacement on iPhone 8 Plus for like 30 minutes.
No, it’s policy for battery replacement for Apple Watch and iPad for you to get a refurbished Apple Watch or iPad. Unlike iPhone they don’t switch out the battery’s
 
Good news! I wonder if they FINALLY implemented this of their own accord, or some new EU law or other forced their hand? 😅

Other. A few states have now banned parts pairing.

Apple went to a lot of trouble to make 3rd party parts not work right. They'd never have done the right thing on their own, fortunately they were forced to fix it.
 
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Please note: LCD display draw more powers than OLED parts. Therefore, there is potential that LCD display will damage power delivery system, as it was not designed to handle LCD’s power draw.

Certainly, if problem arises with LCD display, your warranty will be voids
Not in the US.

Magnuson-Moss prohibits voiding warranties because of 3rd party parts unless the manufacturer can prove that the 3rd party part caused damage. The OEM obviously doesn't warranty the 3rd party part, that's the 3rd party manufacturer's responsibility. But voiding the warranty on the entire device would be blatantly illegal.

Having installed a few LCD screens on devices that previously had OLEDs, there's not enough additional power draw to even shorten battery runtime noticeably. And I doubt that LCD backlight uses more power than an OLED set to full brightness white, which the power system has to be able to handle. So power delivery is a non-issue.
 
Real talk, for both true-tone and Macbook display sleep sensors, it would be nice if Apple just released calibration specifications to the point where third parties could just build their own calibration tools. But sadly they have every financial to not do that so I'm not holding my breath.

The calibration is a lie.

For Macs at least, there is NO calibration tool for those sensors. It's just software, there's no calibrated lamp to provide a known light source. There's no external screen calibrator hardware whatsoever. You just run the online 'diagnostic' software and it pairs the parts.
 
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Could you please start a thread about how you replaced a display in an iPhone 15 that does not use PWM?

Many people suffer from PWM sensitivity, so a thread providing details on how to replace displays would really help.

If you do start a thread, please link it in this thread.

No need for a thread.

I'm not seeing availability on LCD screens for iPhone 15s yet. I'm sure they'll show up eventually.
 
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This is the funny thing ... Apple saying they wouldn't enable True Tone due to quality of display, calibration etc.

Yet I can have 3 devices, all with Apple screens, all with True Tone enabled, all look completely different.

So, why did it ever matter if a 3rd party display looked different too ??
Exactly my experience, even among LCD displays (my iPhone and my iPad Pro). Even among two 11” M2 iPad Pros! (one 128GB another 256GB). Different white point.
 
Exactly my experience, even among LCD displays (my iPhone and my iPad Pro). Even among two 11” M2 iPad Pros! (one 128GB another 256GB)
But the reality distortion field meant that they looked the same. To the untrained eye they look different, but under influence they look the same.

Of course the opposite can also happen. When looking at iPad, at first they can all look the same. But under influence of reality distortion field… they all look different.

Nobody knows how this field works, just that it does exist and exerts its influence in various ways.
 
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