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Why ditch ARM? Apple has a plethora of in-house skills that know the architecture inside out. I know from firsthand experience how hard it is to move archiectures. Apple would need to start from square 1 with a new CPU archicture. That typically takes 3-5 years. IMHO and FWIW this is a non starter.
You're probably right. But how feasible is it to implement their own work on ARM and their own new language and create a compatible CPU to run across all of their their devices?
 
I think touch definitely makes sense on a laptop - I use my touchscreen quite a lot, particularly when collaborating with people on content. On my desktop, I use it only occasionally. However, from a COGS perspective It doesn't add much cost to a computer, it's really the effort of updating the OS to have touch interactions. What Apple is really saying here is that they don't want to invest much in MacOS.

That's what I also meant by cost/effort.
 
Have that mode enabled for when users actually want to utilize the touchscreen. Disable it for everyone who doesn't. Easy.

Apple's not known for options, so this isn't surprising.

So fragment the UI, greatly increase development effort required, and require touch mode to be specifically enabled for each use?
 
There's an app for that! BetterSnapTool. It's only $3 and can be customized like crazy. I've never had a problem with it. Rock solid and feels like it's built into the OS. I'm often jarred when I use someone else's Mac and they don't have this installed because I'm so used to it. BetterSnapTool, MagicPrefs, Paste and Bartender are four utilities I can't live without.

Click the cog and set the quality to 720p:

https://vid.me/vQZq

That's BetterTouchTool. 4-finger tap = open gesture drawing. I then draw a gesture and it arranges the window for me.

At the end I show BetterSnapTool (built into BetterTouchTool), which is shown when I drag the window to a corner to snap it.

I almost never do that anymore. Gestures are much faster.

BetterTouchTool does everything MagicPrefs does, and everything BetterSnapTool does.

Alfred 3 does everything Paste does and much more. I just press ⌥⌘C to get a window with a full searchable history of all my copy-paste history.

Bartender is something I've looked at using but it seems kinda counterintuitive to hide all status icons.
 
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Why would they create touch screen macs ? it'd be like putting a iPod in your iPhone they'd literally be killing the iPad.
A touch screen wouldn't be useful but a 'Touch Strip" improves my workflow tremendously. LMFAO sell that BS to somebody else Apple.
 
Times change. Look at iPad. Blank statements like that are often proven incorrect.

That was a sales tactic to convenience people they didn't need a stylus.. SJ was good at sales / marketing tactics.

People don't seem to understand Jobs, he was a master at marketing his babies. One very important aspect of marketing is the you only market what you have to sell. Back in the Power PC days when the only thing PPC had going for it was fast floating performance they marketed that and ignored the integer performance problems that make for sluggish desktop systems. The same idea pops up with stylus's, if you don't have any then the competition blew it.
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The 12 inch MacBook is fanless and it is not ARM based. ARM is basically not necessary for Macs.

It also performs like crap, will thermally throttle and is generally a very low end computer at a high end price.
 
So fragment the UI, greatly increase development effort required, and require touch mode to be specifically enabled for each use?

Users will likely either leave it enabled or leave it disabled.

If Microsoft can make it work, surely Apple can. The right balance of touch + traditional desktop UI isn't impossible.
 
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I get the feeling you're looking for an argument and frankly I'm not interested.

LOL, well I never forced you and that's what discussion boards are usually for, especially if someone who works in the field says something that's highly disputable.
 
Eh, I'll just do what they would hope I would do, get an iPad Pro and pencils and use that in tandem with the Mac. Sure I would love a modernized return of the Sunflower iMac with pencil support, but this isn't a great necessity for me especially since the iPP exists and I'm not the target audience for the Surface Studio anyway.

As far as ARM, that's a bit too beyond me specs-wise so nothing to add.
 
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Thank you Apple executives for keeping your smarts about you and not screwing up macOS by turning it into a touch OS. Windows identity crisis of not knowing whether it's a touch OS or a desktop OS is a screwed up deal, and something that does not need to be bestowed upon macOS. For those of you wanting such a beast go use Windows for a while on a hybrid device and tell us how well that works. Apple has it right macOS for desktop/laptop and iOS for touch devices.
 
For the love of god. Stop using "for now..." in these damn articles. Stop it! Nobody who values quality computing experiences wants a touch screen desktop or notebook computer in any form. Please stop bringing this garbage up or this site is going in the trash bin instead.

There are other possibilities, like combining the usage of an iPad Pro to augment your desktop workflow that make much more sense and I would like to see Apple explore that further; but the idea of traditional machines being touch machines is just a plain stupid idea.

Nobody who owns one of those stupid convertible Windows touch notebooks thinks its a great idea; unless they have poor taste and not much of a brain in their heads. Apple is doing it right. Touch-centric os (iOS) for touch interaction, and a separate OS and hardware completely void of touch.

It's like having a touch screen on your car dashboard - terrible user interface. You need tactile controls with feedback, and physical dimensions so you can operate the controls with your eyes on the road. It's the same as Apple vs Windows computers - the cheap crap for people with less money and less sense of taste/usability think the latest user interface in Ford vehicles is "great" - but in reality, it sucks.

Etc. etc.
 
Unless they very heavily mix iOS and macOS, ARM makes no sense at this stage of the game.
This statement makes no sense. ARM is perfectly capable of running MacOS, there is no need to mix anything.
It's fairly obvious to me that the personal computer as we know it is not the future of computing. An architecture change for a platform a) whose future is questionable and b) that has a relatively minor install base would almost ensure its demise.
This is absolutely true. Not so much because the personal computer has no future but rather because it will morph into something we aren't completely familiar with. It is because of this adaptation that Apple needs to have more control over the processor in the Macs.
While Mac sales are increasing, Apple's products are not evolving. Things won't stay like this forever. Apple is resting on its laurels -- and it doesn't care, as Macs make up an almost insignificant portion of their revenue.
Something stinks at Apple, I'm not sure what it is but I do hope the it is addressed soon. Keeping the Mac product line up to dat should be a snap for Apple. Theft that this hasn't happened indicates to me that they have lost focus and are suffering from weak management.
I'm really worried about this company. They'll stay afloat, absolutely. They're the biggest company in the world. But they're becoming unrecognizable as the brand that millions came to know and love. It makes me sad.

/rant

The whole world of tech has become pretty pathetic. Sadly I suspect the the next great revolution will come from a company outside the USA.

As an aside I visit the local book store regularly and have been shocked at the quality and quantity of the computer magazines and general tech magazines. Also nothing sits on the shelf anymore and the magazines that do seem to be oriented towards idiots or Linux users. There is no middle ground. Frankly you would have a hard time convincing me that stuff on the web makes up for a decent magazine.
 
But no ARM is a bit of a surprise. It would ensure Apple had complete control over their own hardware and software. An ecosystem with their own hardware pipelines, so they're not reliant on third parties. Perfect OS optimisation. Plus MS are releasing W10 for ARM chips (rumour has it they've compiled a pretty efficient x86 emulation) so it wouldn't exactly be a step back.

Again, surprising, but they possibly don't want to offend Intel if they're looking for new chips.

I'd say that it was parsed rather carefully. Saying that you're not going to go to ARM chips "like in the iPhone or iPad" isn't the same as "we aren't developing our own desktop/laptop class processors to replace Intel."
 
What this article fails to mention is that Phil said "no" and then winked at the reporter, out of sight of the Intel rep in attendance ;)
 
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I always hoped they would do something like this patent they filed in 2010. When engaged into the lower mode, the UI would transform to have larger tap targets to be more touch friendly. It would all be bundled into the same binary for apps. This would be nice for graphic artists and illustrators who could use the Apple Pencil on such a display.
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So it looks like Apple patented something what Microsoft turned later into a real product.
 
Happy to kill the idea of touchscreen Macs for the umpteenth time.

But no ARM is a bit of a surprise. It would ensure Apple had complete control over their own hardware and software. An ecosystem with their own hardware pipelines, so they're not reliant on third parties. Perfect OS optimisation. Plus MS are releasing W10 for ARM chips (rumour has it they've compiled a pretty efficient x86 emulation) so it wouldn't exactly be a step back.

Again, surprising, but they possibly don't want to offend Intel if they're looking for new chips.

<crazy "I called it here first conspiracy"> Possibly Apple & MS are quietly in cahoots about migrating to ARM and then will release everything within weeks of each other, chopping off Intel for their own hardware lines without prior warning. Surface Pros with Apple A-series chips.

I think that's all it is. They don't want to piss off Intel or show their hand. I can't imagine ARM chips not coming to the Mac eventually. Apple loves control.
 
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Glad to hear Apple won't be developing a touch screen Mac anytime soon. Lets just move on.
 
Yes, what you're saying seems to be the consensus among users. And that's a problem because it's a lot of effort/cost to implement for so little return.
Because, as the most profitable company on the planet, that would be going too far. But spending hundreds of millions of dollars and countless engineering hours to work on a "car" project that may or may not ever come to market is a great way to spend their "scarce" R & D money.:rolleyes:
 
So they just surrendered the one-device market to the Microsoft Surface.

They munge together touch screen and pen-screen: I would love a pen-enabled Mac. Right now I have to carry a Cintiq to get the same capability as my surface toting friends. That's fine when I pull up ZBrush for a modeling session, but when I just want to do a quick annotation of a presentation, it's way too much trouble.

iOS is not remotely an option to replace either of those use cases. Pen resolution isn't there, not enough horsepower, and grossly limited offline capabilities.

The touchbar isn't remotely a substitute for either true pen or touch screens. Having to move your eyes from the screen to the keyboard to know what you're touching is significant UI impediment. It remains an expensive gimmick with minimal real-world utility.

I'd settle for a high-resolution, pen enabled touchpad - not as nice as a pen screen, but it'd work in a pinch.
 
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