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No, not everyone knows that. Some people are tired of being beta testers as more and more of their software is released with issues, bugs that should have been caught and just plain sloppiness.

No, Apple is the best when it comes to apps and software. Their OS has less bugs than any other OS, their apps have less bugs than all comparable apps.
 
No, not everyone knows that. Some people are tired of being beta testers as more and more of their software is released with issues, bugs that should have been caught and just plain sloppiness.

Literally any software Apple ever released was 'beta' in this or other way. Lookup the history of bugs with OS X releases. Even the 'universally beloved' Snow Leopard came out with critical data deletion issue and was plagued by WiFi bugs and crashing stock apps. For instance, I could use Safari or Mail back then because they were crashing for me constantly.
 
Seriously, I think finding the issues with battery drains was a lot more complicated then apple first thought.
I don't think it's complicated at all. They're getting the expected result of reducing battery capacity by 25% while using components that don't use 25% less power and adding an additional power consumer (an always on display).
 
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Literally any software Apple ever released was 'beta' in this or other way. Lookup the history of bugs with OS X releases. Even the 'universally beloved' Snow Leopard came out with critical data deletion issue and was plagued by WiFi bugs and crashing stock apps. For instance, I could use Safari or Mail back then because they were crashing for me constantly.


Which reiterates the point he was making. People are tried of apple releasing software that's full of bugs.

I've had my new max 15" tMbp for a few days now. 50% of the time I wake it up, half my apps have crashed. Firefox, VLC, Teamviewer etc. Never had that happen one time on my 2013 running El Captain. Aside from that, I'm seeing 4-5 hrs of battery life on moderate use.
 
Name an OS with less bugs.
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Feel free to name an OS that has less bugs.

Just about every version of Linux out. And I'll repeat, their apps are buggier than ever and nowhere close to being great in quality.
 
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Feel free to name an OS that has less bugs.

Well, compared to 10.12? I'd say 10.7 or 10.8 were significantly better than 10.9, 10.10, 10.11, or 10.12. More stable, anyway.

Back before 10.10 or so, I used to just casually assume I could move my MBP from laptop mode to clamshell mode with an external monitor. Then I started getting kernel panics when doing that. Not always, just sometimes. So I stopped doing it.

And compare Server.app to OS X Server; it's not even close, Server.app is a buggy piece of crap by comparison. I was one of the people who was willing to pay $200+ extra for OS X Server. They took it away, I tried Server.app, and... it's garbage. The big advantage of OS X Server for me was reliability and ease of administration. Server.app breaks both of those, badly. Next time I do a home server, it'll just be BSD or Linux, because they do the job better.

More generally... I'm encountering more annoying quirks running Linux on a laptop than I usually had with MacOS on Mac hardware. Probably. But for actual serious bugs like stuff crashing or whatever? That's a lot more even. And if I don't like how it behaves, I can sometimes do something about it. MacOS has become much less friendly to me in the last few years. The number of things I was putting up with for lack of workarounds kept increasing. Sierra's new security stuff broke TotalSpaces, without which I find the Mac virtual desktop implementation pretty frustrating at best. (I do not like the animations. I want the new desktop to be fully done transitioning by the next vblank. I'm used to instant switching. Guess what MacOS doesn't offer?)

So basically, in terms of actual day-to-day experience of using the system? I don't think MacOS is really all that good at "less buggy". It's pretty good at a combination of "relatively stable" and "can run apps I care about". (The state of paint programs in Linux is atrocious.) But overall I actually get better stability from the other unixes.
 
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Well, compared to 10.12? I'd say 10.7 or 10.8 were significantly better than 10.9, 10.10, 10.11, or 10.12. More stable, anyway.

Back before 10.10 or so, I used to just casually assume I could move my MBP from laptop mode to clamshell mode with an external monitor. Then I started getting kernel panics when doing that. Not always, just sometimes. So I stopped doing it.

And compare Server.app to OS X Server; it's not even close, Server.app is a buggy piece of crap by comparison. I was one of the people who was willing to pay $200+ extra for OS X Server. They took it away, I tried Server.app, and... it's garbage. The big advantage of OS X Server for me was reliability and ease of administration. Server.app breaks both of those, badly. Next time I do a home server, it'll just be BSD or Linux, because they do the job better.

More generally... I'm encountering more annoying quirks running Linux on a laptop than I usually had with MacOS on Mac hardware. Probably. But for actual serious bugs like stuff crashing or whatever? That's a lot more even. And if I don't like how it behaves, I can sometimes do something about it. MacOS has become much less friendly to me in the last few years. The number of things I was putting up with for lack of workarounds kept increasing. Sierra's new security stuff broke TotalSpaces, without which I find the Mac virtual desktop implementation pretty frustrating at best. (I do not like the animations. I want the new desktop to be fully done transitioning by the next vblank. I'm used to instant switching. Guess what MacOS doesn't offer?)

So basically, in terms of actual day-to-day experience of using the system? I don't think MacOS is really all that good at "less buggy". It's pretty good at a combination of "relatively stable" and "can run apps I care about". (The state of paint programs in Linux is atrocious.) But overall I actually get better stability from the other unixes.

LOL, so your response is that MacOS is the most stable and bug-free OS you can get except for other versions of MacOS in the past? Just as I figured. Thanks.
 
The point you are missing is the steady decline in quality of the OS X releases.

The point you're missing is the steady increase in complexity of hardware and software. Sun dials work more reliably than delicate time-pieces. I guess sun dials is when things were at their best, right? Jesus Christ. Grow up.
 
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The point you're missing is the steady increase in complexity of hardware and software. Sun dials work more reliably than delicate time-pieces. I guess sun dials is when things were at their best, right? Jesus Christ. Grow up.

So you are finally admitting that their software quality is decreasing - progress!
 
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why didn't they report PowerMark results for the MBP? that would be an objective test.

Because there is no PowerMark for macOS.
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I've been using Macs for many years and as time goes by, their quality continues to drop.

That's my experience as well.

I've been using Macs for over a decade and these past 4-5 years I've had more problems with macOS and Apple products than ever.
 
You don't just improve battery life in a software update. You just don't.
Apple has addressed this issue long long ago, and implemented their own ways of energy efficient apps. If there's a problem with the software, you will have the same problem across all product lines, not just the 2016 MBP.

To improve battery life, user needs to monitor his/her power consumption closely, and figures out what exactly is draining processing power. I recommend iStats Menu and CoconutBattery. If you don't like 3rd party apps, Activity Monitor will work too.
 
No, Apple is the best when it comes to apps and software. Their OS has less bugs than any other OS, their apps have less bugs than all comparable apps.

By “less” you probably mean “fewer” but either way it’s false.
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I'm referring to all their world-class software, genius.

Wherein by “world-class” you must mean Photos.
 
By “less” you probably mean “fewer” but either way it’s false.
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Wherein by “world-class” you must mean Photos.

What is sad is that Photos isn't even their worst application. iTunes and Apple Music are even worse - and that is saying a lot.
 
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