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I would rather be on the OS where the manufacturer is constantly issuing security updates. To put it in perspective the Android equivalent of the iPhone 4S would be the Samsung Galaxy S2. Support for the Galaxy S2 would be unthinkable. That's the testament to the longevity of iPhones that people expect.
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Apple is treating their employees at Foxconn better than most. What about Samsung that has exposed their employees to cancer inducing chemicals?

Better than most clearly still isn't good enough. I still use apple because they are better than most. Used to be they were vastly superior and in their own league. Not just reactionary

You're getting upset I'm criticizing a CEO. Remove emotions
 
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Better than most clearly still isn't good enough. I still use apple because they are better than most. Used to be they were vastly superior and in their own league. Not just reactionary

You're getting upset I'm criticizing a CEO. Remove emotions

Yes, I'm the one with lengthy responses and gifs, so I'm emotionally involved. :rolleyes:
 
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Yes, I'm the one with lengthy responses and gifs, so I'm emotionally involved. :rolleyes:

No you're just saying Foxconn employees are treated well and I disagree.

Or they aren't expose to Samsung chemicals so they're fine. If it's so great You should go work there potentially (Foxconn) and lemme know how it goes
 
Have to lol at all of the people posting things like "keep patching" or "that was quick" or the hopefuls of the thread...

You have no privacy. Ever. Period. If the CIA or the government wants to know what is on your device, it WILL take over the mic, hack the data, turn on geolocators and whatever else. It's just a fact, Apple or Android will never outsecure the CIA. It is, by definition, a spy agency.
 
Have to lol at all of the people posting things like "keep patching" or "that was quick" or the hopefuls of the thread...

You have no privacy. Ever. Period. If the CIA or the government wants to know what is on your device, it WILL take over the mic, hack the data, turn on geolocators and whatever else. It's just a fact, Apple or Android will never outsecure the CIA. It is, by definition, a spy agency.

This also destroys the argument that stock iOS is THAT much more secure than a wise jailbreaker using his/her jailbroken device. A wash at this point since everyone is vulnerable
 
It will always be a cat and mouse game.

The news makes it seem like cat and mouse game but it's really just smoke and mirrors. We see the mirrors behind the smoke but the real confusion is what's partnered and happening.

CIA with unlimited funds ... there is always a limit.
Plus are we not forgetting who is making iOS don't they have every particular nuance and just being sloppy int eh first place? not running debuts thoroughly or the like? Overlapping API's that are approved?
 
This also destroys the argument that stock iOS is THAT much more secure than a wise jailbreaker using his/her jailbroken device. A wash at this point since everyone is vulnerable

There are varying degrees of security. My money is more secure in a safe than if I just left it on the table, but doesn't render my money impervious to theft. The thief can still crack the lock or bomb the door open. It just makes it harder for the thief to strike.
 
I'm not criticizing for stepping on an ant. I'm criticizing for doing little to fix the Foxconn issues, and treating their manufacturing workforce like disposable ants, generally speaking with other companies too like Pegatron that do the same but apple also uses, and being based in Chynnnuh, constantly feeling the need to react to anything the president does internally in a memo to his employees too

I am picking my battles thanks

Also outside of the whole unlocking the iPhone thing with obama at the end and unlocking that 5c from the san barandino tragedy and apple doubling down on security (good), that stood to put apple in harms way publicly speaking I don't remember cook repeatedly speaking out about obama wrongdoing. Whereas now it feels rampant.

Where was the outrage over 2.5 million immigrants deported during obama terms?

And even if Apple had done all this, you would likely just find some other fault to criticise Apple for, because they obviously can't solve every problem out there, nor is it their responsibility to.

Here's how I see it. The opposite of good is not bad but neutral. To me, there is nothing Apple has to do as a publicly-traded company, so if they decide to take the extra step to pay their workers more or speak out on some public issue, that's a plus. But not doing anything is by no means a negative, because Apple isn't obligated to.

No you're just saying Foxconn employees are treated well and I disagree.

Or they aren't expose to Samsung chemicals so they're fine. If it's so great You should go work there potentially (Foxconn) and lemme know how it goes
Classic straw man argument. It's like I donate $10 to a beggar and you scold me for not giving him $20 instead. When the reality is that I didn't even have to fork out a single cent at all.

What's your yardstick of acceptable treatment then? What Apple does, you are probably going to use the "yeah, but they could have done more..." card.
 
This also destroys the argument that stock iOS is THAT much more secure than a wise jailbreaker using his/her jailbroken device. A wash at this point since everyone is vulnerable

Perhaps if your only definition of "more secure" is protection against a government agency but what if one wants to be more secure against general malware and scammers?

Has any website published a list of the exploits against a MacOS operating system, it would be interesting to see how bad the damage was in that regard.
 
I'm not criticizing for stepping on an ant. I'm criticizing for doing little to fix the Foxconn issues, and treating their manufacturing workforce like disposable ants
You know Apple has improved the issues in Foxconn? Didn't see you post in those news threads.
Besides, I've lived in China and Foxconn isn't terrible. Don't think that everyone in China earns 100k/year.
 
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The Cupertino company closes by saying that it always urges users to download and install the latest version of iOS to ensure that they have the most recent security updates.​
Yes, Apple, we noticed that ourselves, no need to point it out: your number one strategy item nowadays is to force the user into constant updating (with your wish that the user wouldn't be able to prevent updating). In fact, all your current plan for success and growth depends on that very single item. Now compare it with your (user-friendly) attitude 10 years ago, when your security standards were as high as nowadays (if not better, because the OS was rock-solid, unlike today), while your success wasn't based on constant compulsive updating nor in changing the user's will.
 
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Is this really the thread to bring that silly iOS vs Android crap? Instead of my OS is better than your OS
This has nothing to do with "my OS is better than yours". It is just a fact that most Android devices are updated far slower than iOS devices (or not at all). IoT devices are even worse.
how about hoping that this serves as a wake up call to the tech industry that security should be paramount in the products being put out in the public. It should be a wake up call to the big players, but more importantly to the smaller IoT players as well. That's a vector that ripe for exploit.
That's not exactly a groundbreaking new insight.
Oh, and I wouldn't be so overjoyed by Apple's statement that many of the vulnerabilities have been patched. It means many others haven't been. Also keep in mind, those were just the leaked vulnerabilities. Dollars to doughnuts the CIA has other nasty stuff that wasn't leaked. It's the CIA after all.
I don't care much about the CIA having exploits. The much bigger issue at the moment is that a number of new exploits are now out in the wild and will be available to garden-variety criminals soon.

Longer term, the optimist in me hopes that incidents like this one will convince the politicians to direct the agencies to work with the industry on fixing the vulnerabilities, rather than keeping them to themselves. But realistically I don't have high hopes.
 
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No you're just saying Foxconn employees are treated well and I disagree.

Or they aren't expose to Samsung chemicals so they're fine. If it's so great You should go work there potentially (Foxconn) and lemme know how it goes
so you are in China and have first hand experience of the conditions that the people building iDevices live and work under?
Perhaps you should provide that evidence (that you personally gathered) to the world?
Go on, we dare you.
So what if those people earn $2/hour. If the cost of a Half-caff Skinny Latte is $0.20 then does it matter. The value of Wages are relative only to the costs in the local economy. Sure in downtown LA that would be pitiful but elsewhere? Perhaps not. That is economics 101.
 
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It's magical, revolutionary auto iPatching fairy dust

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Perhaps they had independent identified the problems and patched them.

If it's true, why did the FBI need to get the Israelis to hack that iPhone last year. They could have just emailed the CIA.
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You think CIA is watching us right now? :rolleyes:

I doubt they (CIA/NSA) are watching, just passively collecting data to be analysed at a later date if wanted.
 
I'd be more concerned with the fact that CIA have agent programmers within Apple (and all major tech companies), building backdoors and vulnerabilities into the code from scratch.

The CIA is a criminal racket that operates outside of any constitutional control with its own agenda. It should be dismantled and replaced with an organisation that is controlled by and works for the interest of the republic.

Drain the swamp.
 
I don't expect them to have them all patched without bringing them to the forefront. Trying to beat the entire NSA and CIA before anyone even finds out about them is an extremely tough game.
 
I'd be more concerned with the fact that CIA have agent programmers within Apple (and all major tech companies), building backdoors and vulnerabilities into the code from scratch.

The CIA is a criminal racket that operates outside of any constitutional control with its own agenda. It should be dismantled and replaced with an organisation that is controlled by and works for the interest of the republic.

Drain the swamp.

Drain the swap? Impossible. Humans have spied on each others or 1000's of years. The Romans wrote basic cyphers and adversaries cracked them.

As much as we might idealise privacy it's never going to happen.
 
Apologetically vague to say "many issues already patched.
Give us a percentage or count Apple, like you do for iOS installs.
 
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