Apple Says New EU Interoperability Rules 'Bad for Our Products and Our Users'

[Stuwil]

Bose can do what it wants. It’s not up to Apple to innovate Bose’s’ core product line.

Then stop complaining about innovation regarding iOS connectivity if your company doesn’t provide the necessary tools with companies to try

 

[ForkHandles]

A duopoly is not a monopoly.

Also, I'd argue that the classic "duopoly" definition doesn't really apply here (although understand that reasonable people can disagree on this point).

• While I agree there are only two operating systems, hundreds of device makers compete within Android, which creates meaningful product diversity, innovation, and price competition.
• Consumers can choose between premium iPhones, premium Android phones, budget Android phones, privacy-focused phones, and phones with completely forked versions of Android, some of which are completely de-Googled
• Android and iOS serve very different user bases and philosophies. Open-source vs. closed, customization vs. control so lumping them as a single “duopoly” misses key competitive dynamics.
• Apple and Google fiercely compete on features to attract users - there has been no stifling of technical progress at all.
• Most importantly: Duopoly implies collusion or harm: There is no evidence of coordinated behavior between Apple and Google to suppress competition. In fact, they aggressively compete in AI integration, hardware design, and app features.

You’re right of course.

Do you remember back in the day that all new windows pcs had to offer a choice of internet browser to the end user.

The courts in many jurisdictions decided that Microsoft used their monopoly in operating systems to create a monopoly in web browser software. Hence every user around the world on a particular day was required to been given a choice over which browser to make default.

This despite the fact that there were hundreds of pc manufacturers!!!!!

You may think there’s substantial difference between a supply and monopoly, the EU doesn’t, neither do many other countries that are planning to regulate their practises.

The end result will be, we still have a walled garden, that other suppliers can compete in, that we will probably ignore

 

[Stuwil]

Why doesn't Bose make the tools available for companies to try to offer better noise cancelation in the first place? What is the reason why they don't offer 3rd parties these tools?

Because they are a headphone manufacturer
Not a mobile operating system who has 3rd parties on the platform that’s why
And you know the difference your just being disingenuous regarding this

 

[surferfb]

Because they are a headphone manufacturer
Not a mobile operating system who has 3rd parties on the platform that’s why
And you know the difference your just being disingenuous regarding this

I'm not being disingenuous.

I literally don't see why "software connectivity features" should be any different than "noise cancellation features" - the headphones still connect to the platform, they're just shouldn't be entitled to use Apple's innovation for free. If Apple wants to give it to them for free, great, but they shouldn't be forced to.

 

[I7guy]

Then stop complaining about innovation regarding iOS connectivity if your company doesn’t provide the necessary tools with companies to try

Please stop complaining about Apple fails to help its competitors do their own job.

 

[Stuwil]

I'm not being disingenuous.

I literally don't see why "software connectivity features" should be any different than "noise cancellation features" - the headphones still connect to the platform, they're just shouldn't be entitled to use Apple's innovation for free. If Apple wants to give it to them for free, great, but they shouldn't be forced to.

What’s the reason why apple doesn’t provide the tools for 3rd parties to be able to provide better connectivity on iOS if apple are for innovation and not just for themselves

 

[Stuwil]

Please stop complaining about Apple fails to help its competitors due their own job.

How can Bose for example innovate to have better connectivity on iOS if apple won’t allow it access to the tools so how do they do it?

 

[surferfb]

What’s the reason why apple doesn’t provide the tools for 3rd parties to be able to provide better connectivity on iOS if apple are for innovation and not just for themselves

The same reason Bose doesn't hand out its noise cancellation algorithm for free - because they invented a better way to connect and deserve an ability to recoup the investment by using said better way to differentiate its products from the competition.

 

[Stuwil]

The same reason Bose doesn't hand out its noise cancellation algorithm for free - because they invented a better way to connect and deserve an ability to recoup the investment by using said better way to differentiate its products from the competition

Is Bose for example a company that has 3rd parties on their platform because if they are then your totally correct if they restrict software access for there own products

 

[surferfb]

Is Bose for example a company that has 3rd parties on their platform because if they are then your totally correct if they restrict software access for there own products

I fundamentally disagree that matters.

I think Apple should have the right to restrict access to SOFTWARE IT DEVELOPED to Apple products. Full stop. Especially if the industry standard still is in place for everyone to use.

 

[Stuwil]

I fundamentally disagree that matters.

I think Apple should have the right to restrict access to SOFTWARE IT DEVELOPED to Apple products. Full stop. Especially if the industry standard still is in place for everyone to use.

So just to clarify you think it’s acceptable to have 3rd parties on your platform and deliberately withhold tools available to deliberately give yourself an advantage over your competition because that encourages innovation for better connectivity on iOS
Even though you are withholding tools to do it

 

[surferfb]

So just to clarify you think it’s acceptable to have 3rd parties on your platform and deliberately withhold tools available to deliberately give yourself an advantage over your competition because that encourages innovation for better connectivity on iOS
Even though you are withholding tools to do it

Correct. I think if Apple invents something for itself it should be under no obligation to provide that invention to others for free. Particularly when it provides an alternative, industry standard, way to connect so the third-party device can be used.

If you take that ability away, Apple has no incentive to innovate. Which, in this example, means we all get stuck with crappy bluetooth pairing. In the real world, Apple introduced it, leading to Android copying the feature, which meant headphone manufacturers could start marketing that their headphones connect super easily with Android devices, meaning Apple had to open up to compete.

In other words, the free market worked without government intervention.

 

[I7guy]

How can Bose for example innovate to have better connectivity on iOS if apple won’t allow it access to the tools so how do they do it?

It’s not up to Apple to tell Bose how to innovate in their core expertise. I suppose if Bose needs help in the innovation department they can always ask Apple for some help.

 

[Stuwil]

Correct. I think if Apple invents something for itself it should be under no obligation to provide that invention to others for free. Particularly when it provides an alternative, industry standard, way to connect so the third-party device can be used.

If you take that ability away, Apple has no incentive to innovate. Which, in this example, means we all get stuck with crappy bluetooth pairing. In the real world, Apple introduced it, leading to Android copying the feature, which meant headphone manufacturers could start marketing that their headphones connect super easily with Android devices, meaning Apple had to open up to compete.

In other words, the free market worked without government intervention.

So how does Bose for example innovate for better connectivity on iOS if apple don’t provide the available tools for them to do it?
Because your all about innovation on iOS

So this lead to a similar feature on android and this apparently brings innovation then what is the reason these companies haven’t achieved it on iOS then?

 

[Stuwil]

It’s not up to Apple to tell Bose how to innovate in their core expertise. I suppose if Bose needs help in the innovation department they can always ask Apple for some help.

Why would Bose ask apple for help as they wouldn’t provide the tools required for Bose to have better connectivity on iOS or any other company for that matter so it’s not about innovation for you

 

[surferfb]

So how does Bose for example innovate for better connectivity on iOS if apple don’t provide the available tools for them to do it?
Because your all about innovation on iOS

I think we're done with this. We're just going around in circles. For the final time, I don't think Bose has the right to innovate "better connectivity on iOS" and Apple is under no obligation to "provide the available tools for them." If Apple wants to offer them great, if they don't, they shouldn't have to. Bose is perfectly capable of innovation without needing to use anything Apple creates. If Apple doesn't want that innovation, then it becomes a selling point Android can use to entice users to switch. It's how the free market works.

So this lead to a similar feature on android and this apparently brings innovation then what is the reason these companies haven’t achieved it on iOS then?

Apple has offered the new connectivity to third parties since last year. Because, presumably, Apple felt like it needed to offer it to stay competitive, or provide its users with a better experience. I assume as new headphones come out, more manufacturers will take advantage of it.

 

[Stuwil]

I think we're done with this. We're just going around in circles. For the final time, I don't think Bose has the right to innovate "better connectivity on iOS" and Apple is under no obligation to "provide the available tools for them." If Apple wants to offer them great, if they don't, they shouldn't have to. Bose is perfectly capable of innovation without needing to use anything Apple creates. If Apple doesn't want that innovation, then it becomes a selling point Android can use to entice users to switch. It's how the free market works.


Apple has offered the new connectivity to third parties since last year. Because, presumably, Apple felt like it needed to offer it to stay competitive, or provide its users with a better experience. I assume as new headphones come out, more manufacturers will take advantage of it.

Yeah they are going to be under obligation to offer better connectivity in a region of the world that doesn’t effect you
So who would have guessed that deliberately restricting access to give yourself an advantage is a bit shady after all 😂😂😂😂

 

[I7guy]

Why would Bose ask apple for help as they wouldn’t provide the tools required for Bose to have better connectivity on iOS or any other company for that matter so it’s not about innovation for you

There are no tools. The tools come from the Bluetooth sig group of which Bose is most probably a member. It’s not up to Apple to fuel Bose’s’ innovation.

 

[surferfb]

Yeah they are going to be under obligation to offer better connectivity in a region of the world that doesn’t effect you
So who would have guessed that deliberately restricting access to give yourself an advantage is a bit shady after all 😂😂😂😂

Fundamentally disagree that it's shady at all. What's shady is the EU giving away Apple's hard work to freeloaders.

And that's the last thing I'm going to say on the topic.

 

[Stuwil]

There are no tools. The tools come from the Bluetooth sig group of which Bose is most probably a member. It’s not up to Apple to fuel Bose’s’ innovation.

In fact why would Bose need access to the tools required when in the next few years they will have access to better connectivity anyway on iOS in the EU going forward and since your not in the EU then you’re going to miss out

 

[xaqt93]

That’s the point different countries have different things available and nobody cares
Regarding iOS and Apple throughout the best part of 5 plus years and that was no issue for apple to offer different things to different countries. I could see the issue if every country got the exact same iPhone dual sim or every iOS feature available but they don’t

No one cares because it's not that important to most users. The Dual sim iPhone isn't worth Apple making them. They are more expensive, they tend to break more because now you have moving parts and letting things into the physical phone, and it can mess up how water proof it is when you are constantly ejecting and inserting a sim trey.

Personally, I go around to different countries all the time, and I just keep my normal phone plan. It all works great. If I need another carrier, it's really simple to just use a digital sim. I never, not once, ran into an issue where I was like, "I wish I had a physical SIM card right now" and if you can't tell by my profile picture, I'm a pilot, and I am in different countries all the time.

 

[Stuwil]

Fundamentally disagree that it's shady at all. What's shady is the EU giving away Apple's hard work to freeloaders.

And that's the last thing I'm going to say on the topic.

Freeloaders 😂😂😂😂
It’s so funny how angry individuals that are not the EU are upset about a regions regulation that won’t affect them whatsoever

 

[Stuwil]

No one cares because it's not that important to most users. The Dual sim iPhone isn't worth Apple making them. They are more expensive, they tend to break more because now you have moving parts and letting things into the physical phone, and it can mess up how water proof it is when you are constantly ejecting and inserting a sim trey.

Personally, I go around to different countries all the time, and I just keep my normal phone plan. It all works great. If I need another carrier, it's really simple to just use a digital sim. I never, not once, ran into an issue where I was like, "I wish I had a physical SIM card right now" and if you can't tell by my profile picture, I'm a pilot, and I am in different countries all the time.

Exactly nobody cares that in some countries you get physical dual sim iPhones
Other countries you get a physical sim and an eSIM
Other countries you get eSIM only iPhones and nobody cares
Nobody cares that different regions don’t get access to all iOS features and it’s been that way for years
And this is the exact same with the DMA because that is only in the EU so if you live in the USA or India for example then this will not affect you

 

[I7guy]

In fact why would Bose need access to the tools required when in the next few years they will have access to better connectivity anyway on iOS in the EU going forward and since your not in the EU then you’re going to miss out

I’m happy for Bose that magically they will have access to better connectivity in the eu. That Bluetooth group is astounding and looking forward to seeing the magic happen.

But no, I won’t miss out.

 

[Stuwil]

I’m happy for Bose that magically they will have access to better connectivity in the eu. That Bluetooth group is astounding and looking forward to seeing the magic happen.

But no, I won’t miss out.

That’s good your based in the EU then so you will get the additional benefits of better connectivity for iOS with 3rd party products so it’s a win then