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I don’t get this comment??
Almost All countries have governments. The ones that don’t are a complete catastrophe.
That's right, no evidence.
The long read: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/...ns-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/
These accusations are part of the current crusade agianst China, and are as credible as everyting else that comes out of Pompeo's mouth. Like yesterday's news that China's consulate in Houston is involved in stealing immaterial property (anyone can do that, even from outside the US).
As a European, it amazes me how easily Americans follow their Führer in foriegn affairs issues, while at the same time being more critical in domestic issues.
The long read: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/...ns-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/
These accusations are part of the current crusade agianst China, and are as credible as everyting else that comes out of Pompeo's mouth. Like yesterday's news that China's consulate in Houston is involved in stealing immaterial property (anyone can do that, even from outside the US).
As a European, it amazes me how easily Americans follow their Führer in foriegn affairs issues, while at the same time being more critical in domestic issues.
I disagree. It's not about money at all costs. It is about money as the last I look Apple was a for profit corporation.
China shows Apple what they want Apple to see.
Since Apple wants to see no violations, and China doesn't want Apple to see any violations There are no violations to see. This gives them the "fig leaf" to say no evidence exists. Not like the Chinese are going to go 'SURPRISE! We exploit and persecute our religious minorities, take your mega business elsewhere".
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Movealong
Movealong...
Since Apple wants to see no violations, and China doesn't want Apple to see any violations There are no violations to see. This gives them the "fig leaf" to say no evidence exists. Not like the Chinese are going to go 'SURPRISE! We exploit and persecute our religious minorities, take your mega business elsewhere".
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Movealong
Movealong...
Many Western media outlets describe China's government as authoritarian, thus 'forced'
just because you are a for profit company doesn’t mean you have to give up your morals. Thatis some Gordon Gecko level crap.
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Um..as an American, I Am the first to criticize America. Thats what I love about this country. Far from perfect...and with it’s current President downright insane. BUT we the people have the power to challenge the power structure. To question it And change it if need be. So please, don’t hold China up as this paragon of virtue. They are far from it. Look what is happening in HK. Governments that you cannot question or challenge scare me. They should scare you.
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I agree 100%, though I guess we have different definitions of what "give up your morals" mean.
Yes, look what is happening in Hongkong. They finally have a security law, which will put an end to the constant rioting and give some normalcy to the city. The kind of security law you already have in your country, and if used will not put up with that crap rioters in Hongkong do, like breaking into and occupying the LegCo parliament building. Please answer this question for yourself: what would the US government do if Capitol Hill was occupied by BLM or Antifa? Just stand by and watch, as the HK police? Don't think so.
This is not about holding up China as an example, it is about not being a hypocrite. Criticize China all you want, but do it with solid facts.
This is not about holding up China as an example, it is about not being a hypocrite. Criticize China all you want, but do it with solid facts.
i lived in HK & Taiwan for many years. If you do not understand why people are protesting in HK then you’ve been brainwashed by the Mainland. That “security law” is meant to control & suppress free speech. Sorry you cannot see that. The death of free speech and artistic freedom doesn’t bother you? It should. But then being an apologist for the Chinese Government will blind you. Thats fine, believe what you want to believe. Freedom & Democracy can be messy. And yes, Revolution in all it’s forms is not always pretty. But as a famous American once said, Give me Liberty or give me Death.
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Some of the anti-China sentiment here is based on racism in my opinion. I have many friends in China and they do not see things when it comes to politics like Americans do. I know it’s hard to believe but they support the government. As Americans we feel we must make everyone do and think like we do but that is not correct. How would you feel if china was trying to promote communism over here (in the USA). I would be totally against it myself. If you don’t like someone meddling in your household don’t meddle in other peoples households. Besides the US government can hardly be the one to throw the first stone at China with their human rights background.
His 'source' was a Chinese-funded propaganda outlet that shills for the concentration camps. He can be safely ignored.
This isn't about political structures this is about forced labor - a polite word for slavery.
If it was happening in my country I would want anyone and everyone to fight against it.
The only problem with India there is a ton of corruption there - it's pervasive in the country.
It is not. Google Max Blumenthal.
That is what your biased media will have you believe, and they have been screaming bloody murder for the past 23 years about the risk of imminent takeover by commie forces. Yet it has still to be materialized, and we simply do not see mainland forces in Hongkong (other than cleaning up after rioters). As opposed to the federal forces deployed in your country.
If China would want to crush Hongkong, all they would need to do is wait until the deal with GB expires. That is obviously not what they want, but they also do not want Hongkong to be a tool for US forces to attack China. Hongkong can never prosper with constant violence.
Free speech is not about occupying the parliament. Free speech is not about wrecking the subway. Free speech is not about setting people of a different opinion on fire: https://nypost.com/2019/11/11/hong-...uid-set-on-fire-after-shouting-at-protesters/
It becomes racist, because it is so pervasive. People get their ideas about China from what they hear in the media, they don't know jack about the real situation and the geopolitical game that is going on.
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That is what your biased media will have you believe, and they have been screaming bloody murder for the past 23 years about the risk of imminent takeover by commie forces. Yet it has still to be materialized, and we simply do not see mainland forces in Hongkong (other than cleaning up after rioters). As opposed to the federal forces deployed in your country.
If China would want to crush Hongkong, all they would need to do is wait until the deal with GB expires. That is obviously not what they want, but they also do not want Hongkong to be a tool for US forces to attack China. Hongkong can never prosper with constant violence.
Free speech is not about occupying the parliament. Free speech is not about wrecking the subway. Free speech is not about setting people of a different opinion on fire: https://nypost.com/2019/11/11/hong-...uid-set-on-fire-after-shouting-at-protesters/
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It becomes racist, because it is so pervasive. People get their ideas about China from what they hear in the media, they don't know jack about the real situation and the geopolitical game that is going on.
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That's fine. Apple can keep doing business with an openly oppressive authoritarian state that DOES NOT allow free speech and personal liberties for its citizens and us common folks may be stupid enough to come up with a plan but Apple shouldn't have the nerve to complain about social justice issues in the USA. Either demand social justice from all countries on the earth all the time and don't do business with any openly oppressive regime or don't get involved with politics at all and don't be a hypocrite at least.
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And those actions were wrong and evil too! The US had long been highjacked by a group of elite warmongers that committed atrocities around the globe. But this elite DOES NOT represent the american spirit and the God fearing hard working peaceful Americans. Funny how you're ignoring the fact that Trumop didnt start any new war or the fact that he pulled troops out of the middle east. Or the fact that he walked along with the N. Korea leader across the border for first time in 60 years or so and didn't start a nuclear war.
Only difference is, the US is NOT an openly oppressive authoritarian state as the rioters falsely claim. This nation is founded on principles of free speech and personal liberties, It is all in the constitution. Point me out the freedoms and liberties that are showcased in the chinese "constitution" for its citizens?
A lot of ordinary citizens benefit from the communist regime. A lot of the party members have millions of relatives that benefit one way or another so it is natural that these people would support the government. And even if they're not related at all to the party, we are talking about a country that does not have a concept of liberty and personal freedom to pass to its citizens. They don't know what it means to be truly free, so they can't appreciate it. I have no issue at all if the Chinese people want to live in a communist regime. My issue lies with the infiltration of communism in the West that is taking place on multiple levels via economic and Marxist indoctrination. Also, I would love if the western corporations left china for good.
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Nope, no expert. As I said I’m just an ordinary bloke with an ordinary job. I don’t REALLY KNOW for certain, but it sure as shee-ight doesn’t look like they are doing all they can. For a kick off, they could speak out or criticise China about this, but since they haven’t, that’s proof enough for me.
Do you have any proof that Apple ARE doing all the can to get out of China? Happy to be pointed in the right direction... What I do see is plenty of articles where China criticises Apple, but none the other way round. Perhaps I’ve not looked hard enough... Please provide.
um...i lived over there. I am a free thinker. I don’t just regurgitate political talking points. There is no substitute for direct experience. As i said, believe what you want to believe. I criticize America all the time. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you cannot criticize China? 🤷♂️
No, it is a covertly oppressive authoritarian state that meddles in the entire world's business, a nation founded on slavery and colonialism, an empire that is in dire need for continuous expansionsim and war-mongering to uphold its supremacy, constantly threatening the world with consequences if they do not put up with their rules, a tyranny based on SWIFT and global payment systems, arbitrary sanctions and export controls for others to obey, and so on.
Oh, I absolutely criticize China, especially when I am in China. But this is not the place and time for that, but to bring some balance into the equation. As a European who has been living in both China and the USA, as somebody with some perspectives most people lack.
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Oh, I absolutely criticize China, especially when I am in China. But this is not the place and time for that, but to bring some balance into the equation. As a European who has been living in both China and the USA, as somebody with some perspectives most people lack.
i too have lived in China. And HK. And Taiwan. And Japan. And America. And Europe. I kinda like my perspective.
Actually they can't. And it's tricky. By law, attempted intervention and negotiation with respect to matters of foreign policy and politics in foreign countries by US citizens and corporations is prohibited.
Such matters can only be handled by the US government via the State Department.
A lot of ordinary citizens benefit from the capitalist regime. I'm one of them LOL. A lot of people around the world hate people from the US because they're arrogant about how they think they're the best and their government is the best. I prefer the US government over any other I know for myself but I'm not cocky about it. I don't talk down to my Chinese friends about their government. They like vanilla and I like chocolate and we're both happy. I could try to force chocolate down their throats and say the only reason you don't like it is because you haven't tried it but I'm not like that. I have a serious issue with the infiltration of communism and socialism in the USA! If I said my opinion about these people pushing socialism in the USA, my post would likely be deleted so I'll keep it to myself. As to western corporations leaving China that would be bad. Peace is achieved through cooperation not isolation. If they don't have any financial or personal interest in the USA or the rest of the world starting a war is that much easier. I'm not saying we can't or won't win a war with China but I would expect close to fifty percent casualty rate for the USA and much higher for them. This wouldn't benefit anyone.
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Well sometimes you have to buy politicians and officials. I met a woman who managed a BIG store in Mexico (It's also in the USA but I'm sure I'm not allowed to say the name here) and she said paying the police was just part of doing business.
I was one of those people that mocked americans because of the way they think and live, until I had the privilege to migrate to this country and witnessed firsthand the true american spirit. And realized that I was wrong and had been a victim of decades of socialist indoctrination from the European marxists and that the americans are right to think the way they do. I don't think traditional americans glorify their government. To the contrary, they don't like it when government gets in their way too much. They rightfuly think think that their constitution and way of life are the best and that is very true.
I understand your reasoning, but the problem is that China is using the "cooperation" from western private companies to infiltrate and dominate the world through economic supremacy. And that is even more dangerous and harder to deal with, than a traditional all out war with weapons.
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'There is no such concentration camp in Xinjiang'
China's ambassador to the UK is confronted with drone footage that appears to show Uighurs being blindfolded and led to trains.www.bbc.co.uk
Absolutely disgusting that Apple isn’t doing all it can to rapidly move out of China, with this sort of stuff going on. Harks right back to Nazi Germany...
Apple is prepared to stand up for most forms of social justice causes, but conveniently ignores this sort of disgusting human rights abuse.
Talking about Nazi, none entities can resemble Nazi better than Trump Camp, not even close.
