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Apple Says Opposing FBI is 'Absolutely Not' a 'Marketing Strategy'

Kaibelf said:
Dear James Comey,
I'm sorry that your agency blundered this investigation so badly. I really am. I'm sorry that the county employed a man who turned out to be a terrorist and your agency was unable to figure this out in time. I'm sorry that the people employing this man didn't even use the most basic mobile device management protocols that would be able to help you here.

However, I didn't do anything to anyone. Therefore, you don't compromise my security and privacy simply because your various agencies fumbled this so badly in so many ways and now to be safe you want to peep into my windows. Using this case and playing the "Apple is a bully to these poor victims" card is shameful. Yes they "sell stuff." They sell a secure device which I purchased because it's secure. They don't work for law enforcement. You know as well as I do that there is a long list of other devices you also want unlocked. Stop lying about this being a one-time thing. Stop trying to force them to play forensics team for you, and for god's sake lock down your devices with proper management tools.

The American people would trust you more if you hadn't burned them before. Perhaps instead of imploring us all to remember the victims, you should look in the mirror and remember that you, in multiple ways, caused this situation.
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Extremely well stated. Kudos.
 
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I think it is time for Apple to lock down DFU mode, requiring the device passcode to access, and to also encrypt all iCloud data backups. Stop this madness in it's tracks.

They should also release a public statement on Apple.com suggesting that users make longer alphanumeric pass codes instead of the usual 4-6 numerical passcodes that most people use.
 
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These back-to-back-to-back articles is good material for websites like MacRumors. Should keep us busy until the iPad Air 3 release :p
 
Neither are all the product leaks announced in the media or other known forms of clever marketing by Apple.


MH01 said:
FBI and Apple have agendas here. Getting my pop corn......

Best thing to come out of this, Apple making error 53 bricking going away, while it fights the state for our privacy :p
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It claims to fight the state. It doesn't give a damn about anything except its P&L statement and is, effectively, helping terrorists - which do and still exist, by the way.

Okay, enough hyperbole - I pose for you and other supporters a question: If Apple could have rendered private all the issues involving child labor abuse, human rights abuse, H1B abuse, etc, then would people still be crowing?

Can I use this smiley now? :p Or this one? :D Pity it's not a funny issue.
 
JimmyHook said:
True patriots will oppose this court order. The Federal Magistrate who ordered this should be impeached in the US Senate
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Did you vote for "You are either with us or against us" Bush? I bet some had, agreed with what he said at the time, but now are only huffy.

But let's keep protecting the privacy of those suspected of slaughter while we **** over the good people and put on a show. What else is new.
 
Hypothetically, what if Apple threaten to move their operations out of the U.S to pursue the right of individual privacy and the safe development of their software?

It would be a massive cost to the U.S government in lost taxes, but they could operate under the jurisdiction of a new Country?
 
I am totally, 100% behind Apple on this issue and I'm really happy that they have stood their ground thus far.

But if push comes to shove couldn't Apple just take the phone behind closed doors, and work on it in their own secret labs and emerge with only a flash drive containing the data?
 
Cuban Missles said:
Wait... If creating a back door by creating a shadow iOS with less security is possible, why can't anyone build it? Why does it require Apple to build it? I would think the biggest issue is installing it on a locked phone, not actually writing it. And the fact that the FBI can't do it says more about the FBI than they want to admit.
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FBI doesn't "need" Apple to build it. The FBI only needs Apple to digitally sign it so it can be installed. Only Apple has the digital key to sign it.
 
Cuban Missles said:
Wait... If creating a back door by creating a shadow iOS with less security is possible, why can't anyone build it? Why does it require Apple to build it? I would think the biggest issue is installing it on a locked phone, not actually writing it. And the fact that the FBI can't do it says more about the FBI than they want to admit.
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You're right, only digitally signed software will run on an iPhone, unless it's hacked of course.
 
Rogifan said:
Why does FBI even need Apple? Are they basically saying there's no one smart enough in the world to break into this phone without the help of Apple?



This is falsehood the government is peddling, that Apple is not trying to help. That's complete BS.
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It's Apple's product and no, the government isn't a cutting edge technology company. That's just one reason they can't do it alone.

Apple is the master of mind control over their users. They've done a brilliant job of convincing millions that Apple is a warm fuzzy organization that's protecting their poor defenseless customers.

Even in the pre-iPhone days Apple Hyped Macs as the ultimate in security. Mercilessly bashing Microsoft. Karma has dealt Apple a blow. Now Apple's being called out and they've been backed into a corner.

This show is about to get very interesting.
 
thermodynamic said:
Neither are all the product leaks announced in the media or other known forms of clever marketing by Apple.




It claims to fight the state. It doesn't give a damn about anything except its P&L statement and is, effectively, helping terrorists - which do and still exist, by the way.

Okay, enough hyperbole - I pose for you and other supporters a question: If Apple could have rendered private all the issues involving child labor abuse, human rights abuse, H1B abuse, etc, then would people still be crowing?

Can I use this smiley now? :p Or this one? :D Pity it's not a funny issue.
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Ahhh bless I've been called....almost a blind supporter !!! Nah, wrong guy.
 
Cuban Missles said:
Wait... If creating a back door by creating a shadow iOS with less security is possible, why can't anyone build it?
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Well, partly because Apple has the iOS source code and knowledge of exactly what has to be changed, the job would be a lot easier for them than anybody else.

I would think the biggest issue is installing it on a locked phone, not actually writing it.
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Yes - I think that is the heart of the matter: The weakened iOS update needs to be signed with Apple's private key before it can be installed on the iPhone via USB. If its been implemented properly, that should be insurmountable.

So, in principle, the FBI might be able to get a third party to reverse-engineer iOS and produce a weakened version, but they'd still either have to compel to Apple to sign it, or demand Apple hand over their private key. Either of those would be a more obvious and broad-reaching precedent and harder for the FBI to spin as a "one-off, not a backdoor at all".

One way of looking at it: there is mounting pressure to "ban" strong encryption, force companies to build in backdoors and/or share their master keys with the government on demand. The FBI demand would have much the same effect, but was presented in a roundabout way that could be spun to sound less serious. If Apple had quietly acceded, then the precedent would have been set without any debate. Next time the FBI came knocking, any argument Apple had against it would be weakened.

On the other hand, even compelling Apple to create a signed version of a third-party hack amounts to forcing them to create something that didn't exist, rather than just providing information. This is a good place for Apple to draw their line in the sand.
 
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I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but whatever happened to that "device" that would brute force an iPhone passcode by turning the phone off before iOS could register the passcode? There sure was a lot of buzz about this "simple" technique a while back.

While we're on it, what about those hacking experts that put bounties for the first hacker that can crack an iPhone? Why don't the FBI compel those guys to help? I'm sure they could break into the iPhone in question before lunch.

The point is that iPhones are pretty much as secure as can be at this point. Putting in an alpha-numeric passcode would make it damn near unbreakable. We should all be doing that, and using touchID makes is so simple.
 
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