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Apple Says Spotify Seeks to Keep All Benefits of App Store Without Making Any Contributions to Marketplace
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That is the worst idea I have ever heard. You are suggesting that Apple should abandon what made them successful in the first place and do things like that hot mess, Android. iOS would no longer be a safe and predictable environment and it would lose all the advantages it currently has over other platforms. I'm not interested in sharing mindspace or screenspace with "Sooper Anti-Virus For U" and the rest of the motley crew.
Here's a quote from Epic on what it's like to operate outside a walled-garden platform:
“So far, Epic has instigated action on 47 unauthorized “Fortnite for Android’ websites, many of which appear to be run by the same bad actors."
No thanks.
Yes, they are being fair. You got spend money to make money. Why would Apple let others profit from something that took them years and Millions of dollars to make?
The trouble is Spotify has to screw it's artists over to make their business model work, and Apple force them to pay a fair price for a service they provide, and they're just not used to it!
They're a little like Facebook but not as profitable, Facebook would have better control over it's data if payed more people to monitor it, except they've built something so big that they can't... So they just take the money no matter who gets walked over and exploited.
They're a little like Facebook but not as profitable, Facebook would have better control over it's data if payed more people to monitor it, except they've built something so big that they can't... So they just take the money no matter who gets walked over and exploited.
Fair has no place in business. The market will choose what something is worth. How much do you think HMV or Virgin takes from music sales in their stores? Or Walmart from products on its shelves? Or Best Buy from boxed software?
Spotify can have 70% of iOS sales or 100% of nothing. This is why the music labels agreed to 1 cent per song to forgive pirated music during the debut of iTunes Match.
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I never said Apple shouldn't be able to make their own apps. But they are absolutely not competing on a level playing field.
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Or people will just sign up using the Spotify website and Apple gets 30% of nothing instead. Which is also what Amazon and Netflix are doing.
The problem with this is, even when consumers check that box, they would still hold Apple responsible and it would damage the brand and perceived experience. I'll put it bluntly. People are Stupid. Plain and simple.
So I have to respectfully disagree 100% with the "let me check a box" option. Apple spent years developing the reputation of the App Store to be a safe place for consumers to get apps they can trust (which I can admit, they have lost a little of that as of late). I wouldn't want to see it become the Cluster F*** that the Google Play store has become. I have no experience with the Amazon app store... but I as a lifelong Apple customer, would like to keep that "safe place" as much as possible.
The argument/issues with Spotify I think are complicated and not easily fixed. I honestly wont make an argument one way or the other here because, really, a forum is not the place to do so. Things can be easily misconstrued and misinterpreted. Call me old fashioned but I like to have my debates in person
There's no reason Spotify can't do the same. Netflix isn't hurting because you can't do an in-app purchase on your iDevice.
Very true, but sadly this happens in every industry.
Also, regarding Uber, unfortunately Uber is in a position where it can kind of dictate. No way Apple could have pulled their app and not paid a price. At this point Uber is a necessity for many people (drivers and passengers). Apple doesn’t want to be known as the phone where you can’t use Uber or Facebook. Sometime you have to dance with the devil - this applies to Apple and the developers.
johnnyturbouk
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Thank you, I agree wholeheartedly! Apple has some nerve after charging 30% which is pretty much extortion
I’m not saying they charge nothing but 30% is a big chunk, especially for indi devs and small businesses!
Well said and I agree. Apple isn’t perfect by any means, and maybe 30% is too high (although consistent with the market), but Spotify needs to pay to play in one of the largest and most lucrative marketplaces out there. Their solution is to side step the rules and make it more difficult for their customers. So be it.
Spotify is nothing more than a glorified piracy prevention measure. The labels and artists deserve to get paid what the courts have ordered streaming services to pay. Spotify has been operating at a loss for awhile now. They set themselves up for a rough road ahead. Now they want musicians to starve making music so some engineer pimping the music can cash in at 150k per year.
It has to pay something. It might have an argument that 30% is too high but it can’t expect to have all the benefits of the App Store and not pay anything to Apple.
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Totally agree with this. They might have an argument that 30% is too high but they have to pay something. They can’t expect to have their app on the AppStore for free.
it doesnt require apple any space to store and deliver the Spotify app at all. it is stored somewhere in the heaven and when you click "download" a lightning bolt comes from the sky, hits your phone and voila! you have the app installed! Every year, all the millions of lightning bolts you see are because people downloading the app.
Magic!
If that’s the case then they will have to do this to playstation Xbox and Nintendo who also make 30% of any digital purchase or subscription made on their stores
“After using the App Store for years to dramatically grow their business, Spotify seeks to keep all the benefits of the App Store ecosystem — including the substantial revenue that they draw from the App Store's customers — without making any contributions to that marketplace," Apple says. "At the same time, they distribute the music you love while making ever-smaller contributions to the artists, musicians and songwriters who create it — even going so far as to take these creators to court."
Ouch ! Good comment to get in about them going to court over royalty rights.
Ouch ! Good comment to get in about them going to court over royalty rights.
swingerofbirch
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I don't know how I feel about this.
It seems like most tech-minded people want net neutrality on the basis that access to the Internet has become like a utility where there are fairly few players providing access.
Well if all the world's smartphones use either Android and its store or iOS and its store, then don't they become like utilities? When there are millions of apps, it's more like a compendium of web-pages than it is a curated offering.
What if Comcast were to say that they deserve a cut of Apple's online sales because they keep the infrastructure going that brings Apple into millions of homes?
It seems like most tech-minded people want net neutrality on the basis that access to the Internet has become like a utility where there are fairly few players providing access.
Well if all the world's smartphones use either Android and its store or iOS and its store, then don't they become like utilities? When there are millions of apps, it's more like a compendium of web-pages than it is a curated offering.
What if Comcast were to say that they deserve a cut of Apple's online sales because they keep the infrastructure going that brings Apple into millions of homes?
30% is the industry standard. This the same percentage digital goods and subscriptions get charged even on gaming consoles stores.
Not everybody knows you can sign up using the website, and developers are forbidden from even hinting that it's an option.
This is exactly why major publishers are doing their own thing on PC now.
If that’s the case then
you cant sign up for amazon prime video or Netflix through their apps. Most people go to the website when an app only offers a login but not a sign up option.
Because when an idea becomes successful on the marketplace they copy it and use their position to undercut the current app. They aren’t independent if they run the marketplace and do a hefty dose of sherlocking on the side.
The app store was and is an integrated part of the iphone. apple always advertised it as an integrated part - so I I I pay for the app store with MY device purchase.
spotify pays again to load the app to the store which is ok
so I dont see any reason why spotify has to give apple a further 30 percent cut of THEIR income - its insane and ridiculous.
If apple thinks its right - let the customer decide - give an option who gets the 30 percent - problem solved - everything else is mediocore and dishonest GREED !!!
spotify pays again to load the app to the store which is ok
so I dont see any reason why spotify has to give apple a further 30 percent cut of THEIR income - its insane and ridiculous.
If apple thinks its right - let the customer decide - give an option who gets the 30 percent - problem solved - everything else is mediocore and dishonest GREED !!!