Not sure of price, but this HP box seems mightily expandable and configurable:
http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/campaigns/workstations/z840.html
Up to 36 cores. Up to 2 TB *RAM*. Up to 10 drive bays. Loads of modern graphics options.
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Apple Says Stock 8-Core Mac Pro Available to Resellers by End of April, Suggests Custom Configuring Until Then
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http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/campaigns/workstations/z840.html
Up to 36 cores. Up to 2 TB *RAM*. Up to 10 drive bays. Loads of modern graphics options.
Yeah, I know very well the HP Z series and their pricing as well.
Here you can customize them.
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...-1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=839174&quantity=1
Just watch the prices...
Most amazing to me is that Apple seems to have begun thinking about this sometime in, what, the last week?
They are just now getting around to realizing that the trash can design doesn't meet enough pros' needs? They have no viable replacement prototypes in the lab that can be moved ahead into production with current technologies? They are instead pre-announcing a product that won't ship for at least 9–12 months because they have nothing?
The current Mac Pro was released 3-1/2 years ago with processors that are 4 generations old. What have they been doing? The "watch bands" joke is pretty old around here, but it's hard to explain this otherwise.
It is frightening that they could truly be this clueless.
They are just now getting around to realizing that the trash can design doesn't meet enough pros' needs? They have no viable replacement prototypes in the lab that can be moved ahead into production with current technologies? They are instead pre-announcing a product that won't ship for at least 9–12 months because they have nothing?
The current Mac Pro was released 3-1/2 years ago with processors that are 4 generations old. What have they been doing? The "watch bands" joke is pretty old around here, but it's hard to explain this otherwise.
It is frightening that they could truly be this clueless.
They gotta stop Jony Ive from trying to put a computer in a Vase, Lamp, Flower Pot, Coffee Maker, Can Opener and whatever other crazy **** he be thinking!
3 years?
It was announced mid 2013 and released end of 2013. Even by this metric we are talking 3 and half to 4 years.
BUT: the GPUs were rebrands anyway. They are over 1 year older than the machine.
4 and a half to 5 year old hardware...
The trash can Mac Pro is the biggest flop in modern Apple history. For the next Mac Pro I'd take the 2010 model and improve it. Just give it a little more streamlined look and new hardware. Can't be that hard. Nothing wrong with saying, "The gorgeous cylindrical Mac Pro wasn't what everyone wanted, and that's okay. So we took the beloved aluminum Mac Pro and made it better. You're gonna love it."
Serious question. Does MacRumors get any financial support from Apple? Does Apple or any of the marketing agencies that apple uses have an influence on MacRumors. The whole BUY NOW on the buyers guide seems a bit fishy.
Because as a pro we buy tools To make money and 5k is nothing in the great scheme of things.
A gardener would spend 20k on a truck and tools.
Also great resale value and tax benefits. So will just buy the next model too.
Also you make the best of what you have. Sure the GPU is outdated but i have zero problem making lots of money with it. Bad workman and all that.
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Well no. They've sold loads of them in reality considering it's a niche item. I see them everywhere in studios etc. They are a lot more useful In a lot of ways than the 20 kilo monster from before.
The one BIG screw up was not making the GPUs upgradeable. Even as a instore upgrade. Annoyingly they are removable but it's not remotely easy and they are bespoke.
They CPU is a lot less important for the most part.
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The REAL problem with this ridiculously overpriced iMovie - workstation is, something else:
THIS is the BEST Phil Shiller could come up with.
He calls it "innovative" to squeeze a square pig into a round hole. A content creation workstation for pro users without internal storage options? That's like building a sports car without a fuel tank and asking the buyers to just buy jerrycans, fill them with gas and tape it to the outside of the car... then call this "innovative design", just because it doesn't run as hot and loud as the competitors sports cars...
it just shoes me how out of their mind they are...designing a computer for people from a different dimension.
THIS is the BEST Phil Shiller could come up with.
He calls it "innovative" to squeeze a square pig into a round hole. A content creation workstation for pro users without internal storage options? That's like building a sports car without a fuel tank and asking the buyers to just buy jerrycans, fill them with gas and tape it to the outside of the car... then call this "innovative design", just because it doesn't run as hot and loud as the competitors sports cars...
it just shoes me how out of their mind they are...designing a computer for people from a different dimension.
Because it has an Apple engraved at the back?
Just an example how pros do their work. Search for his name.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...56544618082.2009952.1359851752&type=3&theater
Probably 99% of the people whining here for more power use their computer to check facebook.
Wow. What a feat.
It only cost twice as much as your Macbook Pro.
Glad to hear your $5000 MP edged out a mid ranged MBP
The new modular designed MP is at least 18 months away. The iMac today and quite likely any new iMac released this year is no match for the MP6,1 IMO.
Why?... MP6,1 has...
- 6core (12 threads) and 8core (16 threads) --- N.B. the Apple abandoned 12 core has 24 threads of execution
- as much as 128 GB RAM
- as much as 4TB internal SSD (see OWC)
- 6 TB2 ports and three TB busses providing awesome i/o bandwidth
- 4 USB 3 ports
- HDMI
- Dual ethernet ports
- weighs 11 lbs and can be carried around very easily
- CPUs can be upgraded (see OWC)
- Dual GPUs for codes that can actually use both at same time
- A used MP6,1 6core can be obtained for around $1500 less than buying new from Apple Store
- We have 4 MP6,1s (6core and 12core models) and at times we rent them out for $375/week. They make money for us when not needed in the office for Project work.
- can serve as a file server as there's no display to complicate things
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14. You can get a retired 2697V2 for about $800 on ebay, having 24 threads.
15. Actual cooling, and runs whisper quiet at all times
It's a great machine. Limited in scope, criminally neglected, but great for some uses. Now we want them to expand their scope!
There was no reason why they used a custom nowehere existing NVMe interface for its SSD. You can make the argument that when the machine was conceived, NVMe was not a standard yet, but after that they had 4 ****ing years to update that interface so that the customers could upgrade that very crucial part of the computer down the road. And charging new prices for 2013 tech. The level of disrespect ...
I'm waiting to buy a used one for like $1500, get one of those retired chips, and use it for linux VMs, ZFS server with a Sonnet Echo and some JBOD chassis, and occasional webdesign.
The answer is no to both questions. In fact, I personally think it should be "Caution" instead of "Buy Now," but it's a team decision. At least part of the rationale is that our Buyer's Guide is based on how long it is until a next-generation product is expected to be launched, and the "completely rethought" Mac Pro isn't coming until next year at the earliest, so that weighs into the current "Buy Now" label.
Exactly what I was thinking! Cause I'd up the storage to 1TB and add Final Cut which will still add another $900, and that would be as high as I'd be comfortable to go at this time for such a config.
pretty ridiculous. "days since last release 2". just no. it's still 611 days - just because they dropped one model and made the others cheaper doesn't make this a new release.
Because resellers are usually a couple hundred dollars cheaper, offer deals on Apple care, and buying out of state can save you hundreds of dollars in tax. E.g. B&H Photo if you don't live in NY state.
They'd buy if a new model had better engineering, support, pricing, and open ecosystem. That's how it was before the latest model, the ones through 2012 were great machines and fairly priced at least some of the time. Honestly they could probably go back to a similar tower model with the latest specs and additions of current tech and people would be happy.
Usually I need much more than 1TB so I figure 512GB would be fine for me to install apps and keep Dropbox stuff syncing for current projects, and then use my big external drives for storage. At some point I'd like to move a lot of the stuff I use frequently to SSDs, but it's still kinda pricey. Might just move my Lightroom catalog after I cut it down some and move older years to archives.
I'm actually looking to build a file server with a CaseLabs MAGNUM THW10 case. When finished, it should hold at least 40 3.5" drives. And have at least 24 cores, 48 threads. Running Ubuntu or Mint of course. Retired server chips are awesome. Probably would cost me at least $17,000 in hard drives alone if I buy them, to borrow from the guy in Snatch, "in one sitting". But I think it will be finished some time in 2021, and if I keep buying the parts I need in small quantities I will not go broke on hard drives.
But as it will take many years for it to be completed, I should call it "Babylon" if I ever get to it.
Since I do web design and development, I don't really need the latest and greatest, but I really disliked getting ripped off on the prices for the 6.1's. And I love macOS, because I basically live in the terminal. I'd hate having to use the Windows command line. I really hate the Drive Letter Assignation, that **** makes no sense.
So, since I don't really like or need to switch computers all that often, a Mac Pro would be perfect for me. All it has to do is be stable, run cool as I never, ever turn my PC off, and run a **** ton of apps in parallel.